Lockdown

[Woosh]

That still doesn't answer why we will suffer much higher death rates than the rest of Europe.
Aren't they going through the same thing?

because they are predicting that we'll get a second wave.
our government would rather mitigate a second wave than testing everybody to prevent it.
Germany would pull all the stops to stop a second wave.

 

[Amoto65]

That still doesn't answer why we will suffer much higher death rates than the rest of Europe.
Aren't they going through the same thing?

The true figures won't be available until the pandemic is over then we will see the statistics and which were the best measures to be taken, even then it will probably be open to interpretation and spin.

 

[Ocsid]

The true figures won't be available until the pandemic is over then we will see the statistics and which were the best measures to be taken, even then it will probably be open to interpretation and spin.

Again, it does not identify why the UK uniquely is being predicted to suffer so high a percentage mortality from CV.
Clearly post the event we will have info on the numbers, but the question concerns the prediction, not the results. Well, those getting through will have access to the count.

 

[OxygenJames]

I went to a really good school...It must have been, it was approved !

You think you can get away with jokes like that?!!

 

[RossG]

You think you can get away with jokes like that?!!

You got away with the Porsche joke

 

[Woosh]

Yes - and to remind ourselves - a normal flu year kills around 17,000. 27,000 died in 2018.

When this is all over - we will see if it was worth trashing the economy for the lives saved - or how many more will die now that we can't afford the health system we're used to.

the alternative is to let a million or two people who are in care homes, overweight and/or with underlying health conditions die before they can be vaccinated.

 

[tommie]

This daily news conference has gotta be a massive con, a day when almost 1000 deaths they claim `encouraging signs` along with a `positive flattening of the curve` blah blah blah..

Obviously panic statements to shield the public

 

[Wicky]

the alternative is to let a million or two people who are in care homes, overweight and/or with underlying health conditions die before they can be vaccinated.

And even otherwise healthy folk outside of that demographic would get sick enough to need HDU / ITU and would overwhelm provision and risk dying in greater numbers.

 

[RossG]

I keep getting messages from AliExpress offering me a good deal on masks and sanitizer gel, what should my reply be ?

 

[Woosh]

This daily news conference has gotta be a massive con, a day when almost 1000 deaths they claim `encouraging signs` along with a `positive flattening of the curve` blah blah blah..

Obviously panic statements to shield the public

it is encouraging.
Daily cases gone down to 3,600 a day from 4000-5000 a day with more testing.
As a rule of thumb, fatality count is about 4.3%-10% of the new cases. 3600 new cases yesterday will be translated to 154-360 deaths in 2 weeks time.
You can see the growth rate of fatalities has gone down from doubling every 3 days to every 4 days and now doubling every week. It may peak in a week, at about 1,400-1,500 fatalities a day.

 

[tommie]

it is encouraging.
Daily cases gone down to 3,600 a day from 4000-5000 a day with more testing.
You can see the growth rate of fatalities has gone down from doubling every 3 days to every 4 days and now doubling every week. It may peak in a week, at about 1,400-1,500 fatalities a day.

Awe Great!!

That will be of immense comfort to the families of the 1000+ who have lost loved ones today. Lets tell them "its encouraging" !
I think we should also relay that `good news` to those that are presently in ICU, 50% of whom won`t make it.
But Hey-Ho lets tell them "it`s encouraging"

Shocking post.

 

[RossG]

Anyone know any Covid-19 jokes ?
I know one but it would take 14 days for you to get it

 

[Woosh]

Awe Great!!

That will be of immense comfort to the families of the 1000+ who have lost loved ones today. Lets tell them "its encouraging" !
I think we should also relay that `good news` to those that are presently in ICU, 50% of whom won`t make it.
But Hey-Ho lets tell them "it`s encouraging"

Shocking post.

the team at UCL started predicting 500,000 deaths then 250,000 then 20,000 with different scenarios to control CV.
We discussed these numbers and mitigation strategies a few weeks back in the charging post section of the forum.

 

[GLJoe]

the alternative is to let a million or two people who are in care homes, overweight and/or with underlying health conditions die before they can be vaccinated.

Are we really sure that a vaccine is actually going to be any use?
I've seen studies on the Flu jab. Many of them question their effectiveness, and at least one randomised trial showed that the there was a HIGHER mortality rate in the vaccinated group than the non vaccinated one!!

 

[OxygenJames]

the alternative is to let a million or two people who are in care homes, overweight and/or with underlying health conditions die before they can be vaccinated.

We don't know that for sure - and yet you speak as if you do.

The final results from comparing say Sweden with us - will make for interesting reading.

 

[OxygenJames]

This daily news conference has gotta be a massive con, a day when almost 1000 deaths they claim `encouraging signs` along with a `positive flattening of the curve` blah blah blah..

Obviously panic statements to shield the public

Have you looked in detail at the stats? From what I can see they do look encouraging. We are following Italy's projection quite closely - they are definitely seeing a peak in many of the key variables.

 

[OxygenJames]

Anyone know any Covid-19 jokes ?
I know one but it would take 14 days for you to get it

Yeah. True. And you know what industry has been hit really hard?

Burglary.

 

[OxygenJames]

it is encouraging.
Daily cases gone down to 3,600 a day from 4000-5000 a day with more testing.
As a rule of thumb, fatality count is about 4.3%-10% of the new cases. 3600 new cases yesterday will be translated to 154-360 deaths in 2 weeks time.
You can see the growth rate of fatalities has gone down from doubling every 3 days to every 4 days and now doubling every week. It may peak in a week, at about 1,400-1,500 fatalities a day.

Yes.

 

[OxygenJames]

You got away with the Porsche joke

It's no joke.

This one:

 

[Woosh]

We don't know that for sure - and yet you speak as if you do.

The final results from comparing say Sweden with us - will make for interesting reading.

I only repeat the findings of WHO. 4.3% of those who got infected will die.
At the moment, 10% of those hospitalised in the UK with CV have died.
How many do you think are going to get infected if we do nothing?