they are the best value for the money and real lm output you can tell there fake just buy the amount of power they use or dont.Thanks SW, I'll just stick with my Magicshine Eagle f3.
to run a xhp70 at max voltage for the most lm you need a cpu heat sink and fan to cool it down even hi end flash lights on max power will only last a few mins b4 it starts getting to hot and ramps down the power.