LEVA-EU (no not another brexit thread )

[shemozzle999]

Trade body for Europe

https://leva-eu.com/2017/08/03/bike-europe-and-leva-eu-organize-electric-bike-information-meeting-at-eurobike/

 

[Mal69]

I don't work in the industry yet I know the answers to the questions posed on that website page, I would be surprised if the trade don't know the answers, this very website lists all the relevant info too.

 

[flecc]

Call me a cynic, but I can't see anything good coming out of this for pedelecing.

LEVA representing all light electric vehicles once again introduces the conflicts of interest that plague type approval legislation. Such things as moped interests wilfully restricting what pedelecs and the S-class are permitted, for example blocking us having throttles.
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[shemozzle999]

They were the only voice that supported L1e-a throttles.

 

[flecc]

They were the only voice that supported L1e-a throttles.

But that's a moped class. With the moped trade taking part, bureaucracy free pedelecs will have little chance of fair treatment.
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[shemozzle999]

But that's a moped class. With the moped trade taking part, bureaucracy free pedelecs will have little chance of fair treatment.
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No, it is the Powered Cycles class.

There was never a chance of throttles for Pedelecs in Europe due to the Commercial lobby within Europe as explained in the other lengthy thread which you are fully aware of.

Pushing mainly for Speed Pedelecs with little enthusiasm for a throttle controlled Pedelec was a step too far for the establishment lobbies and it was inevitable that acceptance of neither was obtainable.

LEVA want to promote all forms of vehicles to ensure innovation has a chance to carry the industry forward into the future and not to be shackled by restricted views and protectionism of the past.

 

[flecc]

No, it is the Powered Cycles class.

If we leave the EU as currently planned, what 168/2013 classifies the L1e-A class as could become academic.

Despite 168/2013, the DVLC still refer to this as the Low Powered Moped class in current documentation, and the Vehicle Inspectorate work on the same basis.
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[flecc]

LEVA want to promote all forms of vehicles to ensure innovation has a chance to carry the industry forward into the future and not to be shackled by restricted views and protectionism of the past.

The nub of my point, LEVA includes the protectionists who have the restricted views, so what's changed?
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[anotherkiwi]

Look at the early days of aviation and the automobile. People in sheds designed, invented, built without the need of any governing body, association whatever. Yes inventors died. Yes they killed innocent bystanders (a few). But that is the cost of progress. Cars and planes continue to kill people despite governing bodies making them safe.

Light electric transportation needs the shackles removed to progress, cars don't have power restrictions, we can live within the same speed limits they have. Mostly light electric vehicles need a space to be driven in. High speed ones don't belong on cycle paths. On roads, heavy vehicle drivers need to be aware the the ant sized thing in front is capable of the same speed as they are.

I hope that all members of LEVA have read this PDF:
http://users.telenet.be/fietser/fotos/VM4SD-FVDWsm.pdf

 

[shemozzle999]

The nub of my point, LEVA includes the protectionists who have the restricted views, so what's changed?
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Nothing yet, but they could be a future voice for pedelecs and may be attract grants like the MCIA have for L1e-B mopeds:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/plug-in-motorcycle-grant-eligibility/plug-in-motorcycle-grant-eligibility

http://www.mcia.co.uk/Press-and-Statistics/Press-Releases/Article/Plug-in-grant-extended-to-motorcycles.aspx

 

[anotherkiwi]

The AVEM isn't a member? Isn't linked to? And yet it has been around since 1998...

http://www.avem.fr/

They have more interest in my eye because they cover the whole spectrum of clean transport from the pedelec to trucks. Light Electric Vehicles are already in a ghetto, LEVA will keep them there. We need a comprehensive view and all we get are tiny little groups squabbling...

 

[flecc]

Nothing yet, but they could be a future voice for pedelecs

I really hope so, but I tend to be cynical with this. Pedelecs got a huge head start of over e-cars, not just years but decades, but the latter have overtaken in no time, technically, legally and socially.
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