Leaving the EU
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Nigel is to good for the opposition to stand up to.
Whether he is right or wrong I don't know but I feel we need a good debate without the waffle & lies.
Any chance do you think?
Whether he is right or wrong I don't know but I feel we need a good debate without the waffle & lies.
Any chance do you think?
I don't think there is the remotest chance of Farage being included in any debate. He is an excellent speaker and performs well in debates. He also has the truth on his side which makes him a very dangerous proposition to the remain camp. If he debates against Cameron, he will destroy him.
UKIP is the third biggest political party in the UK. They have the largest stake of any UK mainstream political party in the European Parliament. There whole existence is orientated around leading the UK out of the EU. If it wasn't for UKIP, there would be no referendum next month. It is therefore a travesty of democracy and justice that Farage and UKIP are being frozen out of the informing and debating process by the BBC and politicians on all sides.
Farage has a lot to say and a great deal of it resonates with the British public, but they are not being allowed to hear it. You really must ask yourself why this is, what are they trying to hide from you and why if the EU is such a good deal are such tactics being used?
UKIP still have a very strong and justifiable case to be involved in this though.
The pro EU side certainly have their hand on the stop-cock when it comes to allowing the flow of information to the public. They certainly are quick to close it when it doesn't suit their agenda. Again, if the EU is such a good deal, why the need to do this?
Perhaps not, they are not the official leave campaign.
It's for the official leave organisation, Vote Leave, to request the broadcast time, and if their strongest card is Nigel Farage, they can let him dominate the broadcast if they wish.
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that's an exaggeration of the EU ecodesign directive.
The directive encourages manufacturers to improve efficiency to save on electricity, not the way that many journalists tried to get a story out of it.
The second objective is to harmonize standards between member countries, hence the ban on some high power vacuum cleaners and hand dryers. The latter waste a fair bit of electricity to save time. Like it or not, we will benefit from reduced energy consumption. I don't know if any of you have been watching a repeat of Indian Ocean with Simon Reeve in the last few weeks, but it's clear to me, without the EU, we'll scoop all the fish out of the Nord Sea and Irish Sea in no time at all.
The directive encourages manufacturers to improve efficiency to save on electricity, not the way that many journalists tried to get a story out of it.
The second objective is to harmonize standards between member countries, hence the ban on some high power vacuum cleaners and hand dryers. The latter waste a fair bit of electricity to save time. Like it or not, we will benefit from reduced energy consumption. I don't know if any of you have been watching a repeat of Indian Ocean with Simon Reeve in the last few weeks, but it's clear to me, without the EU, we'll scoop all the fish out of the Nord Sea and Irish Sea in no time at all.
little chance of that, these people are all professional spin doctors.
I watch all the 'EU referendum specials' on Newsnight and invariably, the audience is easily swayed by the Brexiters. Nothing to do with good or bad points, it's just that the Brexiters appear to be patriotic, therefore hit a spot in all of us.
I think if Brexiters win, within a few days after the referendum, a lot of Brexiters will come to regret their voting decision. The Pound will certainly be hit hard immediately on the news. Remember Norman Lamont tried 15% interest rate to stop the Pound falling?
with all due respect to you trex, we are being fed b/s from both sides, and the truth is nobody knows what will happen if we leave. The converse of your argument could be that if we decide to stay , within a few months people who voted to remain may regret it when they see what it is costing us as a country. For me it is about me being able to vote for an MP or party who is accountable to the british people and is not just a lackey of unelected civil servants in Brussels, who bye the way are paid vast amounts of money and expenses and squander lots more, while at the same time are forcing people into poverty and destitution
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I believe we will do better than most countries in the EU, whether we are in or out because we are richer and better resourced than most baring perhaps Germany and France.
If we vote to remain, there won't be much if any change.
if we vote to leave, there will be winners and losers. The winners are the majority of businesses, whether they trade in Europe or not, they can always reposition themselves and so can the super rich. The losers are the people whose jobs are tied to our EU membership.
The Pound will drop on Brexit, this is a one way bet, I don't think anyone would disagree on this. When Pound loses against the Euro of the Dollar, it will benefit exporters, while imported goods like e-bikes will be more expensive, so importers and exporters are winners because they can position themselves to take advantage of this. The losers are the consumers and the house owners, inflation, house price deflation and zero return on savings.
If we vote to remain, there won't be much if any change.
if we vote to leave, there will be winners and losers. The winners are the majority of businesses, whether they trade in Europe or not, they can always reposition themselves and so can the super rich. The losers are the people whose jobs are tied to our EU membership.
The Pound will drop on Brexit, this is a one way bet, I don't think anyone would disagree on this. When Pound loses against the Euro of the Dollar, it will benefit exporters, while imported goods like e-bikes will be more expensive, so importers and exporters are winners because they can position themselves to take advantage of this. The losers are the consumers and the house owners, inflation, house price deflation and zero return on savings.
But ebikes (just an example product) don't seem to fall in price when the pound strengthens. I think the price settles at a point where goods sell. For example, if a bike costing £2000 today suddenly cost £3000 because of Brexit, they wouldn't sell any so the price would fall back to a point where they started to sell again. This would obviously hit the manufacturers and retailers margins, but I think they are smart enough to realise that 10% of something is better than 30% of nothing. Also, UK produced goods would be cheaper abroad, which makes them attractive, which is good for jobs.
Savings returns are all but zero now.
But ebikes (just an example product) don't seem to fall in price when the pound strengthens.
Yes, that's often the case. The distributors simply help themselves to a bigger slice. When the Pound weakens, electricity, petrol, supermarkets, you name it, wish rush to put prices up. They exploit any fear factor in the market place. They are the winners. The poor consumers are usually losers.
Often their house is their only major asset. At the moment, migrants push house prices up. That inflation pulls foreign investors into London, keeping the value of the Pound and our balance of payment. After Brexit, the Pound drops, foreigners' money will become scarce, house price inflation will also disappear and we can't pay for imports, imported goods become expensive enough to reduce our imports and restore balance of payment. That means fewer people can get a new car or a new TV set or foreign holiday. Some may even get into negative equity.
Yes, that's often the case. The distributors simply help themselves to a bigger slice. When the Pound weakens, electricity, petrol, supermarkets, you name it, wish rush to put prices up. They exploit any fear factor in the market place. They are the winners. The poor consumers are usually losers.
Often their house is their only major asset. At the moment, migrants push house prices up. That inflation pulls foreign investors into London, keeping the value of the Pound and our balance of payment. After Brexit, the Pound drops, foreigners' money will become scarce, house price inflation will also disappear and we can't pay for imports, imported goods become expensive enough to reduce our imports and restore balance of payment. That means fewer people can get a new car or a new TV set or foreign holiday. Some may even get into negative equity.
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I must say that because of my position as an exporter to every EEC country,people look towards and ask me what I will vote.
Up to a couple of days ago I was undecided until a guy pointed out how little our net contribution is,he stated it as follows.
We pay £11 billion,Maggie Thatcher negotiated a 50% rebate...so £5.5 billion,the UK farmers get £3 billion and other regen schemes £0.5 billion.
So,our net contribution is only £2 billion,I am repeating that from memory so dont shoot me if I have got it wrong.
If we left the EU,we would still have to find the farmers and regen money.
I have decided to vote remain,despite all the obvious corruption in Brussels and the ridiculous laws that they roll out.
But our army and navy are small now,I feel we are safer as a group.
But the main reason is that from my viewpoint we are doing very well at the moment,why jump when we dont know the effect of jumping,its one hell of a gamble.
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Up to a couple of days ago I was undecided until a guy pointed out how little our net contribution is,he stated it as follows.
We pay £11 billion,Maggie Thatcher negotiated a 50% rebate...so £5.5 billion,the UK farmers get £3 billion and other regen schemes £0.5 billion.
So,our net contribution is only £2 billion,I am repeating that from memory so dont shoot me if I have got it wrong.
If we left the EU,we would still have to find the farmers and regen money.
I have decided to vote remain,despite all the obvious corruption in Brussels and the ridiculous laws that they roll out.
But our army and navy are small now,I feel we are safer as a group.
But the main reason is that from my viewpoint we are doing very well at the moment,why jump when we dont know the effect of jumping,its one hell of a gamble.
KudosDave
Or can be expressed as eight and a half pence each per day.
I saw the same figures.
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our net contribution to the EU budget is about 6.5 billions last year, after rebate and EU spending in the UK.
that figure is a fraction of the 100 billions in gross product generated by about 3 - 3.5 millions EU migrants. If you are an economist, you would welcome EU immigrants, they are about the most productive in the world.
that figure is a fraction of the 100 billions in gross product generated by about 3 - 3.5 millions EU migrants. If you are an economist, you would welcome EU immigrants, they are about the most productive in the world.
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Not the whole story trex. Boris didn't say that the EU wants to invade other countries, shoot anyone who resists, build concentration camps and send people there to perish.
The comparison that he drew was a single element, the expansionist plans which Hitler had for Germany compared to the expansionist plans which the EU have. He was very clear about that. Similar objectives, but totally different methods.
It was with tiresome inevitability that his words would be turned against though. Just like when Nigel Farage commented that Putin had totally outmanoeuvred the EU with humiliating ease over Crimea. All of a sudden, Farage was a pal of Putin and all that he stands for.
(Hope this doesn't get deleted by one of the potential new forum moderators!)
I agree this keeps happening, we've seen it with Johnson, Farage and Livingstone currrently.
However, I only judge by what I hear and see the person saying, and Boris Johnson has waged a campaign of deliberate lying about many indisputable things regarding the EU.
He clearly hopes that such dirty tactics will get at least the more ignorant to agree. This man has a long and well known history of dishonesty and deceit and I think he may well do more harm than good to the Brexiters by the election day.
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