Labour Party - is there hypocrisy abroad?

[oldtom]

Jackie Walker, Momentum’s Vice Chair has come under attack from the Israeli lobby and mainstream media for anti-Semitism.

This begs the question: If a Jewish woman cannot criticise Jews or Israel, then who the hell can?

We have to get over this mindset that anti-Semitism is "special racism," and that Jewish people have endured "special suffering."

Jackie Walker's only crime it seems is to insist that Jewish suffering is not unique and that similar events have happened throughout history, most notably in North and South America, Australia, Africa and even here at home in Ireland and Scotland with the potato famine and the Highland Clearances.

The series continues, obviously, with the current genocide perpetrated by the Israelis against the Palestinians.

This and similar issues within the Labour Party haven't just come up by accident - they have all been designed and engineered by the common enemy without and within to undermine the only political party offering a socialist alternative to the otherwise one-party state in the UK.

Tom

 

[flecc]

Yes, I'm glad she's spoken out, just one of the many Jewish people who are opposed to zionism.

I too have long been sick of the claims for special treatment on the spurious grounds of special suffering when there has been no such thing. They've only suffered what any disparate group has suffered throughout history when wilfully insisting on maintaining an alien identity and culture.
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[IR772]

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We have to get over this mindset that anti-Semitism is "special racism," and that Jewish people have endured "special suffering."


Tom

I too have long been sick of the claims for special treatment on the spurious grounds of special suffering when there has been no such thing.
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"Arbeit macht frei"

 

[flecc]

"Arbeit macht frei"

Still nothing special about this which is peculiar to Jewish people. Many other groups were targeted for the same treatments, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally defective etc.
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[IR772]

I too have long been sick of the claims for special treatment on the spurious grounds of special suffering when there has been no such thing.

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You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[IR772]

etc.
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You are talking about industrial murder and you use "etc"

Men women and children.

 

[IR772]

Education, Education, Education.

 

[tillson]

There is no anti-Semitism, Lady Chakrabarti says so. (Giz a peerage)

 

[flecc]

You should be ashamed of yourself.

For posting a truth?

Have I denied they suffered? No, I merely posted that they have no special case, for as well as the others I previously mentioned, their horrific suffering was shared by our Russian allies who lost well over 20 million men, women and children. Have you never learnt the story of Leningrad in WW2? And then there were our Chinese allies who lost some 40 millions and suffered huge numbers of their women being used as sex slaves.

I'm not aware of any holocaust days or even a mention for those WW2 allies of ours.
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[Wicky]

Wannsee Conference

 

[IR772]

Russia and China are countries the Jews are a people bonded by a common religion

For posting a truth?

Have I denied they suffered? No, I merely posted that they have no special case, for as well as the others I previously mentioned, their horrific suffering was shared by our Russian allies who lost well over 20 million men, women and children. Have you never learnt the story of Leningrad in WW2? And then there were our Chinese allies who lost some 40 millions and suffered huge numbers of their women being used as sex slaves.

I'm not aware of any holocaust days or even a mention for those WW2 allies of ours.
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You are trying to Donald Trump and move the argument.

To clarify, Russia and China are countries who were at war, same war in which the Holocaust occurred, the Jews are a people of many different nationalities bonded by a common religion, for the purpose of this argument spread out over Europe.


I think the words:

"I too have long been sick of the claims for special treatment on the spurious grounds of special suffering when there has been no such thing" (the Jews about 6,000,000 killed in the holocaust but no one accurately knows)

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"I'm not aware of any holocaust days" (google search not normally required)



What you have said is unpleasant.

 

[flecc]

Russia and China are countries the Jews are a people bonded by a common religion


You are trying to Donald Trump and move the argument.

To clarify, Russia and China are countries who were at war, same war in which the Holocaust occurred, the Jews are a people of many different nationalities bonded by a common religion, for the purpose of this argument spread out over Europe.


I think the words:

"I too have long been sick of the claims for special treatment on the spurious grounds of special suffering when there has been no such thing" (the Jews about 6,000,000 killed in the holocaust but no one accurately knows)

And
"I'm not aware of any holocaust days" (google search not normally required)



What you have said is unpleasant.

I'm not moving the argument, you are. Being bound by religion or country is immaterial, they are all people who have suffered in horrific ways.

None is an especial case and I completely reject your attempts to show otherwise. Your attempt to play the numbers game is dwarfed by the numbers I illustrated and is wildly inaccurate anyway as I've already pointed out, being a mixture of Jews and many other groups

Frankly I am sick of the Zionist holocaust industry and its constant whining and snivelling. And the attempts by people like yourself to silence anyone who protests. Many, if not most, ordinary Jewish people around the world and in Israel will have nothing to do with the excesses of Zionism and its agenda. And that includes my Jewish uncle, brother in law, cousins and nieces, some orthodox, some unorthodox.
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[IR772]

What you call a numbers game unfortunately are facts.

I have brought the argument back.

I was waiting for:

Some of my best friends are:
"Jewish, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally defective etc."

Frankly I am sick of the Zionist holocaust industry and its constant whining and snivelling. And the attempts by people like yourself to silence anyone who protests.

I am not silencing you I am arguing a point you are trying to Donald Trump it. My view is opposed to yours, what a relief.

If you visited one of the camps and had a quiet moment there I defy you to be moved and really see what the "holocaust industry" was, not is.

 

[flecc]

What you call a numbers game unfortunately are facts.

I have brought the argument back.

I was waiting for:

Some of my best friends are:
"Jewish, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally defective etc."

Frankly I am sick of the Zionist holocaust industry and its constant whining and snivelling. And the attempts by people like yourself to silence anyone who protests.

I am not silencing you I am arguing a point you are trying to Donald Trump it. My view is opposed to yours, what a relief.

If you visited one of the camps and had a quiet moment there I defy you to be moved and really see what the "holocaust industry" was, not is.

I don't understand your point and dismiss your contemptible attempt to bring Donald Trump's behaviour into this. As I've shown, I'm well aware of the horrors of the holocaust, my point being that it once again illustrated the vile capacity of the human race to behave in such ways. In that respect it is no different from any other of the appalling events others have suffered en masse, so is not special in relation to them.

Stop trying to prove it is.

The worth of a people is not measured by what they've suffered but by how well they've picked themselves up afterwards. Zionists do Jewish people no favours with their constant "special" pleading. The achievements of Jewish people since the holocaust, singly and en masse, are worthy of far more.
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[IR772]

Would you like to give a few examples of "their constant "special" pleading", for me to better understand your point of view.

If they are constant some from this morning would do.

 

[flecc]

Would you like to give a few examples of "their constant "special" pleading", for me to better understand your point of view.

If they are constant some from this morning would do.

Now you are being silly, once again attempting to play a numbers game.

You are obviously intelligent enough to have fully understood the point I was making but are determined to display it as something that it's not.

I'm not playing so will leave you to your views.
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