KTM Macina dual hs - the eagle has landed!!

[SRS]

Wissy, I use a Newyork "D" lock. http://http://www.evanscycles.com/products/kryptonite/new-york-3000-lock-ec005751#features

Read the reviews, they come highly rated. Any way good to see your bikes arrived. Cannot wait for your riding report.

 

[103Alex1]

Really odd lock that squires link you gave.... Looks like a big padlock... BUT I cannot figure out how this works / attaches / etc. compared to a chain and padlock? How does it go round a street lamp or gate then???

Y0ou use it with a chain. It works like this :

You can see no-one can get croppers in around the padlock shackle. You need to push one chain link through another to make a loop and fix the padlock to the single chain loop as in the photo - otherwise you can't get 2 chain loops through it. Hard to explain - easier in the piccy !

That's a Protector chain with it :

Pragmasis Protector Chains Review - BikeRadar

Heavy but not that bad compared to a decent D-lock which weigh a huge amount too - and won't go round thick fixing points. Mine's 1.5m long and will loop both wheels and a fixed bike stand even on a long wheelbase bike.

These are useful too if your front wheel has a quick-release :

Pitlock 1 Piece Skewer Set

 

[Deleted member 4366]

I use one of these locks. No lock is totally thief proof, but this type is cheap but prevents the use of bolt croppers. I hear more and more about thieves that sit in their cars in supermarket, cinema and fitness centre car parks waiting for victims to lock their nice bikes to the rack. As soon as the bike owner goes in, they jump out with bolt-croppers, cut the chain/cable and ride off in seconds.
NEW MAGNUM BIKE ARMOURED MASSIVE 25MM CABLE COIL LOCK.CHOICE OF 2 SIZES LK3012-3 | eBay

 

[Electrifying Cycles]

Hi Wissy

I was talking about this lock
Squire Urban Paramount Lock Review - BikeRadar

We have the longer version (290mm) in stock which retails at £69.99. However we give 10% off accessories with each electric bike bought and would match any price. The lock is made in the UK and has a 10 year guarantee. We could post it today or tomorrow if you chose to proceed.

 

[Electrifying Cycles]

Y0ou use it with a chain. It works like this :

You can see no-one can get croppers in around the padlock shackle. You need to push one chain link through another to make a loop and fix the padlock to the single chain loop as in the photo - otherwise you can't get 2 chain loops through it. Hard to explain - easier in the piccy !

That's a Protector chain with it :

Pragmasis Protector Chains Review - BikeRadar

Heavy but not that bad compared to a decent D-lock which weigh a huge amount too - and won't go round thick fixing points. Mine's 1.5m long and will loop both wheels and a fixed bike stand even on a long wheelbase bike.

These are useful too if your front wheel has a quick-release :

Pitlock 1 Piece Skewer Set

Alex these are great locks and we will be getting some of these in future - Late March/Early April. We would combine chain with squire lock.

 

[103Alex1]

I use one of these locks. No lock is totally thief proof, but this type is cheap but prevents the use of bolt croppers. I hear more and more about thieves that sit in their cars in supermarket, cinema and fitness centre car parks waiting for victims to lock their nice bikes to the rack. As soon as the bike owner goes in, they jump out with bolt-croppers, cut the chain/cable and ride off in seconds.
NEW MAGNUM BIKE ARMOURED MASSIVE 25MM CABLE COIL LOCK.CHOICE OF 2 SIZES LK3012-3 | eBay

Just ordered one of those.Too thick to get bolt croppers round. Just the job.

The big chain and padlock is great if you're leaving the bike for any length of time but when you lift one (or a large D-lock) you realize just how heavy they really are. If you're nipping up the road to the shops and will only be a few minutes something like this is far easier, much less likely to involve kneeling on the ground whilst you secure the big 'don't even think about it' chain and a good deterrent to opportunists. Been several months of no such thing as nipping anywhere without a big lock-up exercise at the other end.

Either the chain (2-3 minutes or so) or this (seconds) could be ground through by a determined thief with a powerful angle grinder but you'd have to be pretty blatent and determined to do that - and nothing practical is going to save your bike from theft if someone is out to steal it with equipment like that. Sad but true.

 

[wissy]

Only did a 4 mile quickie yesterday evening to get the 'feel' of it all. Obviously felt very guilty going past heavily ladened tourers on the way. I do feel a bit of a cheat but hopefully I will get over that soon.

The controls look a bit 'oh oh' but I sussed the electric gizzmo and the gears in no time. The gear change is so easy and smooth.. The twisting of only one half of the handle is such a doddle. What surprised me was that despite the bike being very heavy it was so easy to pedal without the electric assistance on at all. This was on a flat though!

I tested all the levels of assistance and combining gears found a range of 'feel' was available. Another factor that seemed quite obvious was the more I put in effort the more I got out. In the end I was pedalling like a mad loon over the Menai Bridge. Then I hit (not William unfortunately) the cutout thing at about 16 mph and it confused me for the first few times but then got used to it.... Odd experience though for my first time. After doing this deliberately a few times I got used to it. Of course it would be best not to have the cutout but for now I am not going to add one of the things to eliminate.. In future maybe.

Tried the turbo option up a small hill and although much assistance given I do also need to work on getting fitter so I can keep pedalling constant and for longer. The hill to work will take some training my side before it is attempted.

It was much fun to overtake my other half and leave him way behind on his bike when it has always been theother way round. Major review and trial delayed now until next weekend I think due to unexpected hangover.

Have added Panniers to it now ready to take bike to shop for groceries rather than the van. That will be tomorrow's mini adventure...

 

[Electrifying Cycles]

Great info. It has also helped us because KTM have a large range so we are trying to stock the best bikes within the range. I found the dual feature really useful when I did a test ride. Found I was in a high gear at junction this was not a problem as I could make use of one of the three hub gear selection. I also like having more gears as this is useful on the flat and going down hills. Generally electric bikes do not have as many gears but they can be useful. I have to admit my favourite thing about electric bikes is overtaking people. Recently overtook some teenagers on BMX's.

 

[Artstu]

Recently overtook some teenagers on BMX's.

Hey I'm not sure that's something to brag about

 

[AlMel]

From one Bosch rider to another: what fabulous taste you have! It's a lovely bike. One thing that I discovered on mine is that for the motor to be at its most effective on steep climbs, you need to pedal at a cadence of at least 60 revs per minute.
Like 103Alex1, I recommend Pitlock skewers; although mine secure both wheels and the seat post. They’re good for peace of mind at least! Also, for when the bike is left for relatively brief periods, I find that the Hiplock, worn around the waist when riding, is very practical. It avoids having to find room on the bike for bulkier locks.

 

[wissy]

Thanks all. One thing I forgot to mention earlier was the light situation. Cannot figure out if they should go off immediately when I stop? took battery out and lifhts were still on for ages? They eventually faded off but wondered if anybody has more info, thoughts on them.. Is it a dynamo then or lights from battery alone but if so how come they were on for ages still after its removal?

 

[Artstu]

This might sound like daft question, but how many gears does this bike have? I've looked at the KTM link and it looks to be an 8-speed cassette and 8-speed hub? has it really got 64 gears?

 

[wissy]

To be honest not sure!! How many of the hub ones overlap with normal ones if that makes sense? Maybe electrifying cycles can confirm.... I was never good at the cogs homework in physics at school!!

 

[Artstu]

To be honest not sure!! How many of the hub ones overlap with normal ones if that makes sense? Maybe electrifying cycles can confirm.... I was never good at the cogs homework in physics at school!!

Thanks, I've seen the Sram 3-speed hub before, but not this quoted 8-speed hub plus 8-speed cassette. Lovely bike all the same, and easy to miss as the larger picture is the step-through version.

 

[Electrifying Cycles]

It has 24 gears (8 deralliur x3 hub). Light works off a dynomo which stores power to operate the lights.

 

[Artstu]

It has 24 gears (8 deralliur x3 hub). Light works off a dynomo which stores power to operate the lights.

Ah thanks, that link on your website isn't very clear, not your fault I know. Now I just need them to make the Macina Bold with the disc brakes of the shopper.

Ah I wondered where the extra weight had come from, certainly an interesting bike.

 

[wissy]

Hi

yes I agree... When I first was making decision there were hardly any photos of this frame (low step?) version... Liked the higher frame one also but decided against it due to me ageing and possible resale value (not many 5'5" men I guess or women wanting male frame).. Actually not mich orange on it as somebody mentioned in another thread.

still trying to fathom out how such a heavy bike can move / cycle so well with power off?

And any ideas about the light staying on with battery out weirdness?

 

[flecc]

This might sound like daft question, but how many gears does this bike have? I've looked at the KTM link and it looks to be an 8-speed cassette and 8-speed hub? has it really got 64 gears?

The SRAM DualDrive can be had in three versions, 24, 27 or 30 gears according to the cassette's number of sprockets, 8, 9 or 10, all combined with a three speed hub and all operated by a single neat control:

SRAM DualDrive illustrated

 

[jazper53]

Hi



And any ideas about the light staying on with battery out weirdness?

Mine does the same, I expect the circuitry hold a little charge that sufficient to keep light on for a short while

 

[AlMel]

Your bike really has an interesting set-up. I’ve never heard of a derailleur system on a multi-speed hub. I must be terribly out of touch. Note, on my Bosch bike, the light is battery-powered. I don’t suppose it makes much difference in practice.