Kalkhoff Panasonic Mods

glesgaguy

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Hi

I am very overweight, in my late 40`s and a smoker, (in the process of changing to ecigs after reading a fantastic post on here), I have decided to buy an ebike to try and get some fitness back and lose weight.

The best option appears to be the Kalkhoff XXL bikes as these seem to be the only bike built for a plus 25stone rider.

My only concern is I think a throttle or equivalent button would be a must for me, due to lack of fitness. Is there any mods out there that would allow me to fit some sort of device to give the desired result.

Thanks in advance

Andy
 

103Alex1

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Have a chat with Frank too ... he may well be able to sort something for you as an alternative ....

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tillson

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Hi

I am very overweight, in my late 40`s and a smoker, (in the process of changing to ecigs after reading a fantastic post on here), I have decided to buy an ebike to try and get some fitness back and lose weight.

The best option appears to be the Kalkhoff XXL bikes as these seem to be the only bike built for a plus 25stone rider.

My only concern is I think a throttle or equivalent button would be a must for me, due to lack of fitness. Is there any mods out there that would allow me to fit some sort of device to give the desired result.

Thanks in advance

Andy
The only throttle available for the Kalkhoff / Panasonic models is one which takes the bike to about 4 mph and is intended to be used when walking alongside the bike.

For your situation, I would have thought that something like the Panasonic / Bosch / Impulse drive would be ideal. All require some input from the rider in order to make them go (calories), whereas some of the bikes with throttles can be ridden without any rider input, like a moped (no calories).

From experience, I can say that the Panasonic system subtlety coaxes the rider to put in some work, and the amount can be varied from very little to significant. I'd be wary of throttle / moped type bikes, if you are very unfit there might be an overwhelming temptation to ride around letting the bike do all of the work. That would defeat your objective of fitness and weight loss.
 

jackhandy

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Is there a legal-ish ebike or kit that will tow a 25+ stone rider around without significant rider input?

I'm 14 stone & none of mine will do that.

Of course, there are significant hills where I live.
 

eddieo

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Walking will do you more good.......
 

NRG

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The DimondBack HD Xipi use is not bad for the price but its all up max load is 120KG or 19 Stone... Agree with Eddie, walk first, its a great way to loose weight.
 

RobF

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Losing weight is overwhelmingly about diet rather than exercise, although if you do both you are cooking on gas because you are attacking the problem at both ends.

Burning off the calories in a pizza takes a significant amount of exercise, so your best bet is not to eat the pizza in the first place.

Going back to bikes, the Kalkhoff is a quality machine and 50 Cycles are now selling them at sensible money.

Tim from the company posts on here, and I've been to their Loughborough premises.

50 Cycles is a proper, established business and you could buy from them with confidence.

Don't worry about the throttle, the bike will help you along well enough in all situations, especially on the higher assist modes.

Also, your fitness will improve dramatically after just a handful of rides.

That's very encouraging, but be aware the rate of improvement will decline quickly, although it will continue.
 
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I don't think that you'll find many bikes designed to take 25 stone, but many are strong enough to take it. As long as you select a bike that looks sturdy, you should be OK.

If you want a ready-made bike, I'm sure that Frank can help you out with one of his geared-motor Xipis. Other than that, look out for the new Kudos Tornado available shortly for about £1000.
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/electric-bicycles/12993-kudos-2013-performance-ebike-details.html

Much cheaper is the Powabyke Euro, which is very strong as it's made of steel, and good torquey motor, although rather ugly and heavy.
ELECTRIC BIKE POWABYKE | eBay
 

RobF

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I don't think that you'll find many bikes designed to take 25 stone, but many are strong enough to take it. As long as you select a bike that looks sturdy, you should be OK.
Spot on, although I suppose out of an abundance of caution we should advise the OP to avoid step-throughs, particularly cheaper ones.
 

103Alex1

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My only concern is I think a throttle or equivalent button would be a must for me, due to lack of fitness. Is there any mods out there that would allow me to fit some sort of device to give the desired result.
The older Panasonic Pro Connect were adaptable to have a throttle apparently capable of more than the 4mph walk-assist but this is not the case with the Impulse motor.

XXL Agattus are crank-drive bikes meaning that you have to pedal to power the bike and it will deliver assistance in a range of multiples of your pedal effort.

The basic frame of even the normal Agattu is very strong and I've no doubt this bike would be up to the job with the XXL mods, however bear in mind carrying extra weight on the bike (for example on the rack) may be a little limited in the early phases whilst you move towards your goals.

One of the benefits of the bike is it being low impact exercise. Everyone has to start somewhere if weight has got out of hand (whether too high or too low) and I personally think it's a great thing you're thinking of doing some cycling. However, I would strongly recommend combining this with a strict diet and walking as suggested by others. The combination should really help you achieve your goals - but as any exercise coach will tell you diet is by far the most important factor in achieving weight loss. Unless this changes radically the cycling is not going to have a chance of really elevating your fitness and accelerating weight loss. The up-side is if you can get a taster for cycling and it gives you the motivation to make the other changes so you can enjoy it more then it could be the most important factor in the whole equation.

I have the opposite challenge to you - have been seriously underweight for about 20 years (and a heavy smoker until 6 weeks ago). Make a decision to address both a few months ago once and for all and the bike has helped keep me off the fags (switched to eCigs - there's a lively thead on here on these) in a way nothing else could have done.

Have a read of the Electronic Cigarettes thread too - some hardened smokers (including myself) have managed to switch to these and the main benefit is that one of the obstacles to exercise tolerance (poor lung function) rapidly decreases. This route can also help avoid the counter-productive binge eating and associated weight gain a lot of smokers fear will follow if they quit, because the eCigs are far more effective in knocking back eating cravings than patches or other "Quit Smoking" aids.

However, I have had to completely change my diet, take on a structured programme (3 days a week in a gym) and up my protein and calorie intake two-fold using gainers to allow me half the cycling I want to do without defeating the weight gain efforts. 2 months of this without any lapses to gain a stone and I know it will be another 2 months to gain the next one. Weight loss is far easier and faster with even moderate exercise and diet change.

Key thing is to make a firm commitment and having a bike which you feel safe on and want to ride is a great thing to help you stick to an exercise regime. As your weight drops you will feel rapid increases in fitness and enjoyment, and that is a very rewarding path in many ways.

I would make the effort to go try the bike in Loughborough or London if you can. 50Cycles have demonstrators in other places too if you ask them they might be able to help.

If you live in an area with relatively flat routes and cycle paths you could select, this will be a great help for the first few months especially. You likely won't need a throttle unless you are tackling stressful traffic lights / traffic or steeper hills. You can then work up to some more challenging inclines as your fitness improves. If you have lots of steeper hills, a crank drive likely isn't going to be enough to make the cycling feel manageable if your fitness levels have dropped significantly and undergoing a walking / weight loss diet to work towards your goals first might be a better path. You can get a more powerful kit fitted to a sturdy frame but there are legality issues to consider, and the downside of a powerful motor with throttle is that acts as a disincentive to pedal.

Work out in your own mind how committed you are and what your goals are going to be. I'm sure there is a solution for you to help you on the path to a fitter and happier lifestyle and if cycling can play a part of that it can only be a good thing.

Walking will do you more good.......
On the weight loss, I agree.

The DimondBack HD Xipi use is not bad for the price but its all up max load is 120KG or 19 Stone... Agree with Eddie, walk first, its a great way to loose weight.
The kit can be fitted to any bike so can put it on a sturdier donor bike.

Losing weight is overwhelmingly about diet rather than exercise, although if you do both you are cooking on gas because you are attacking the problem at both ends.

Burning off the calories in a pizza takes a significant amount of exercise, so your best bet is not to eat the pizza in the first place.

Going back to bikes, the Kalkhoff is a quality machine and 50 Cycles are now selling them at sensible money.

Tim from the company posts on here, and I've been to their Loughborough premises.

50 Cycles is a proper, established business and you could buy from them with confidence.

Don't worry about the throttle, the bike will help you along well enough in all situations, especially on the higher assist modes.

Also, your fitness will improve dramatically after just a handful of rides.

That's very encouraging, but be aware the rate of improvement will decline quickly, although it will continue.
Agree with all this. It's easy to lose heart after the initial improvements, will then be a plateau to break through - but if you remain committed (and relative youth an advantage in this case), and keep up with the weight loss the feelings of being able to do more can continue for a fair while !
 

flecc

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The older Panasonic Pro Connect were adaptable to have a throttle apparently capable of more than the 4mph walk-assist but this is not the case with the Impulse motor.
The walk alongside throttle was only ever capable of 3.6 mph (6kph) on the standard Panasonic unit bikes, both old and new units and even on the Flyer bikes for which BikeTec originally created it.

The only variation on this is that the S class high speed bikes can achieve around 12 mph with this throttle added, the exact speed depending on the gearset fitted, this due to it's different performance profile.

However, in all cases the power is the minimum when not pedalling with force, since the torque sensor is still in circuit.
 

NRG

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Calling it a throttle is misleading IMHO...
 

banbury frank

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Hi Jackhandy It is a geared motor It pulls me along with a good acceleration on the flat NO pedalling I am 24 stone


I do have to pedal on a Hill

A 12 stone rider on testing came up a steep hill NO pedalling

You are welcome to come to Banbury and try one


We have a more powerful direct drive 1,500 watt motor that will pull me up very steep hill no pedalling

BUT we where talking Legal kits 250 watts nominal 15 MPH

Frank
 

indalo

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Hi

I am very overweight, in my late 40`s and a smoker, (in the process of changing to ecigs after reading a fantastic post on here), I have decided to buy an ebike to try and get some fitness back and lose weight.

The best option appears to be the Kalkhoff XXL bikes as these seem to be the only bike built for a plus 25stone rider.

My only concern is I think a throttle or equivalent button would be a must for me, due to lack of fitness. Is there any mods out there that would allow me to fit some sort of device to give the desired result.

Thanks in advance

Andy
Cycled all over Springburn, Balornock, Auchinairn and out to Lenzie, Kirkintilloch, Auchinloch and such parts many years ago, probably before you were born, on my first two-wheeled bike Andy. It's a lovely part of the country and I have fond memories.

Your suggestion that the Kalkhoff XXL may be the best option sounds as if you have done a little research and I think you would find that perfectly adequate for your needs, even at 25 stone. The Agattu range has become a byword for quality and reliability, offering decent performance within legal parameters.

Yes, you can go faster on an ebike but you will probably need to buy something illegal and accept the risks inherent in that strategy. Many perfectly legal ebikes will assist you more than adequately both on the flat and over the hills but the choice is yours.

A combination of regular walking and as much cycling as you can manage will very soon pay dividends on the weight front, provided you take it easy on the grub intake. As for which bike, do get at least two or three test rides under your belt before buying something. You may have to travel some to get a bit of choice.

Slange!

Indalo
 

daveboy

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Hi andy, I was 24stone 10lb (now 15stone 3lb) and i have a kalkoff copy (made in same factory) I live
in pontefract aprox 1 mile from the A1 where it meets the M62. If ever you are passing you are more
than welcome to have a go on my bike, I think you would be very pleased with how easy it is to pedel.
The only thing I have done to it is change the drive sprocket to eleven tooth, David
 

glesgaguy

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Dec 27, 2012
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Hi Guys

Thanks for all the responses to my questions.

After considerable deliberation I finally took the plunge with 50cycles Agattu XXL.

The main reasons being:

1, The bike is designed for the extra weight

2, Probably if I had a throttle I would use it more than the pedals (defeating the purpose)

3, The experience dealing with 50cycles before purchase, they are exceptionally helpful, they even talked me out of buying the more expensive BS10XT.

I made the purchase on Tuesday morning received the bike, up in sunny Glasgow, on Wednesday early afternoon.

I took the bike out today for its maiden voyage. The last time I tried to cycle was around 3 years ago on a second hand mountain bike and then I could not keep up with my 4 year old daughter around the local park and eventually had to get of and walk.

I have been out on the Kalkhoff three times today, total of about 7 miles, and can not believe how great it is, far better than I dared to imagine. My first journey, 3 miles, I averaged just under 15mph with a top speed of 21 mph. The amount of effort I was putting in was just right for me, got the old heart going but never felt like an impending heart attack, when I got back home I felt fantastic, really got the blood flowing. Taking into account I am over 26 stone, have done no exercise in years and I’m a smoker, I am delighted, really looking forward to the weekend and going out for a wee bit longer, going to go for 10 miles.

Only really one concern, how long does it take your **** to become accustomed to bike seats??

Again guys thanks for all the information on this site, I have been lurking around for months now, the information and advice has been invaluable. I will do my best to contribute, finally to any fellow fatties out there phone 50cycles and avoid routes where you pass reflective glass and you’ll feel great.

Andy

P.S

When my daughter got home from school tonight we went round the same park a few times, I showed her!!!!!!
 

dmcgoldrick

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get yourself some padded cycle underwear until things 'firm up'.........you may also want them when you start going further as they 'breathe' and are fairly comfortable......lots of gel seat options of course but assume your new bike will have a half decent saddle to start with.......
enjoy your new bike....you can really give it a good hill test if you get up to perthshire when you get a bit fitter.......
regards
 

103Alex1

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