December 22, 20178 yr No chance. I don't need to better it with brain power, one swing with a sledge hammer will show who has the superior intellect. .
December 22, 20178 yr ..and No chance. I don't need to better it with brain power, one swing with a sledge hammer will show who has the superior intellect. . You think it hasn't already thought about that?. .. you show up with a hammer, it shows up with a jcb!
December 23, 20178 yr No chance. I don't need to better it with brain power, one swing with a sledge hammer will show who has the superior intellect. . it can hide itself on the internet. that's where the danger lies.
December 23, 20178 yr Author I usually put this sort of thing on the same shelf as the flat earth society and those trying to "awaken" an asteriod, marking them as intersting but nonsensical, but, around the world right now its looking more and more like we live in a house of cards with the two little pigs (Trump and Kim Jong un) threatening to blow it down, so I can see how a sef aware machine could plot to take over..... for our own good!
December 23, 20178 yr I remember the days when BBC 2 was only a"part time" station, and most of it was open university broadcasts. One of which told us that the latter half of the twentieth century would have to be spent training the population on how to spend its leisure time, as automation would dispense with a lot of jobs. Then the internet happened, call centers, etc etc. Don't worry, something will appear. At the end of the 19th century the prophesy that faced major cities for the twentieth century was the increasing amount of horse manure left on the streets.
December 23, 20178 yr I remember the days when BBC 2 was only a"part time" station, and most of it was open university broadcasts. One of which told us that the latter half of the twentieth century would have to be spent training the population on how to spend its leisure time, as automation would dispense with a lot of jobs. Then the internet happened, call centers, etc etc. Don't worry, something will appear. At the end of the 19th century the prophesy that faced major cities for the twentieth century was the increasing amount of horse manure left on the streets. And now it is increasing bull manure in places called parliaments...
December 23, 20178 yr And now it is increasing bull manure in places called parliaments... That's always been there in copious quantities. Horse manure is good on rose beds.
December 23, 20178 yr ..and You think it hasn't already thought about that?. .. you show up with a hammer, it shows up with a jcb! Again no chance, when I show up with the hammer I'll do the necessary in seconds, long before it could access a JCB. . Edited December 23, 20178 yr by flecc
December 23, 20178 yr it can hide itself on the internet. Not when it's playing chess! Ultimately it's lack of flexible physical access that defeats the electronic brains in the foreseeable future. We are at least centuries away from the machines evolving the infinite flexibility of human action, and possibly millennia. .
December 23, 20178 yr Author Not when it's playing chess! Ultimately it's lack of flexible physical access that defeats the electronic brains in the foreseeable future. We are at least centuries away from the machines evolving the infinite flexibility of human action, and possibly millennia. .So it wouldn't be able to take over the internet and press all the buttons electronically? don't really need a physical presence to do that. I have been reading that even the most mundane household items can be hacked and put to criminal use and when done en mass can be very effective. How many people out there don't have at least one conected item?
December 23, 20178 yr Not when it's playing chess! Ultimately it's lack of flexible physical access that defeats the electronic brains in the foreseeable future. We are at least centuries away from the machines evolving the infinite flexibility of human action, and possibly millennia. . https://futurism.com/googles-new-ai-is-better-at-creating-ai-than-the-companys-engineers/ My vote is decades
December 23, 20178 yr So it wouldn't be able to take over the internet and press all the buttons electronically? don't really need a physical presence to do that. I have been reading that even the most mundane household items can be hacked and put to criminal use and when done en mass can be very effective. How many people out there don't have at least one conected item? Me... Nope not even a smart TV
December 23, 20178 yr Author Me... [emoji14] Nope not even a smart TVSo your not reading this on the net then?
December 23, 20178 yr So it wouldn't be able to take over the internet and press all the buttons electronically? don't really need a physical presence to do that. I have been reading that even the most mundane household items can be hacked and put to criminal use and when done en mass can be very effective. How many people out there don't have at least one conected item? We've been around in recognisably human form for a million years without the internet. So returning to that leaves your internet based machine useless. That's why the machines fail, as my sledge hammer response showed. The machine uses it's brain but we don't need to make that mistake. We only need to respond with our natural animal reactions, for animals are what we are and what the machines will never understand. .
December 23, 20178 yr https://futurism.com/googles-new-ai-is-better-at-creating-ai-than-the-companys-engineers/ My vote is decades See my answer to Gubbins on this link. .
December 23, 20178 yr Hi, the technology we have in the shops in old technology, the technology that actually exists is decades more advanced. A lot of the technology we have comes from military applications which then filters down to consumer technology. We are letting AI technology make more decisions for us every day and also bringing more surveillance into our homes. I am not anti technology as i am writing this using the biggest AI machine in the world but concerned people do not understand the full implications of it.
December 23, 20178 yr My devices have power switches controlled by me, they can't turn themselves off and on they are previous generation (out of date) and if I pull the phone plug out my appartement is an unconnected fortress. The building is opened by a key (metal one). No smart phone so you can't track my comings and goings. No car. My point of weakness is my ISP and it's box, they have access to my computer.
December 23, 20178 yr I am not anti technology as i am writing this using the biggest AI machine in the world but concerned people do not understand the full implications of it. I agree, but the end game is the humans will still be here and the technology not. .
December 23, 20178 yr My point of weakness is my ISP and it's box, they have access to my computer. You lived most of your life without that and can again. But the machines that could take over can't live without that technology, so that's where they fail. .
December 23, 20178 yr Author You lived most of your life without that and can again. But the machines that could take over can't live without that technology, so that's where they fail. .But isn't our civilization built on technology? We may have lived without it at one point but now? I don't think so... how many millions would starve for a start?
December 23, 20178 yr The Trump administration has not extended the ban on research on deadly diseases so maybe the Twelve Monkeys will get us before the Terminator does...
December 23, 20178 yr But isn't our civilization built on technology? We may have lived without it at one point but now? I don't think so... how many millions would starve for a start? Of course, but the outcome would be as I've said, humans surviving and flourishing again and the machines vanquished. Every human dies anyway and in the greater scheme of things it doesn't matter when that is. We have a huge overpopulation problem anyway, our 7 plus billions eating the world's resources many times faster than they are being naturally replaced. So a major reduction would greatly benefit us. In the game of life it will always end Humans 1, Machines 0. .
December 23, 20178 yr Author The Trump administration has not extended the ban on research on deadly diseases so maybe the Twelve Monkeys will get us before the Terminator does...Ah yes the results of monkeying about with time... I rather enjoyed 12 monkeys..
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