Is It Safer Riding an Electric Bike?

50 Cycles is running a survey questioning whether it is safer to ride an electric bike rather than riding a standard pedal cycle. I personally feel that riding an electric bicycle makes the biggest contribution to being safer by eliminating potential health risks that cycling presents. Thought it would be a good idea to start discussion around the topic and what improvements we can suggest to improve the safety of cycling generally.

Should we be asking for some specific legislation to apply to cyclists e.g. Making it illegal to pass a long vehicle at traffic lights or roundabout on the side the driver signals intention to turn?

Should there be more cycling clips in the Hazard Perception Tests including ones where cyclists put themselves in danger?

I think legal 16 mph max assistance e-bikes are more dangerous than lighter none-electric bikes because in all instances other than uphill they're slower, it is hard work to make a draggy heavy e-bike go above the assisted 16 mph limit.

 

Because of that the speed difference is greater, meaning moving out to turn right isn't as easy, and because you're going slower more cars pass you, and with a bigger speed difference.

 

Fast fit cyclists are at much less risk. and this stupid habit of councils to segregate cyclists one minute with a white line for a few yards makes the situation worse, and advance boxes at traffic lights encourage this dangerous undertaking.

Edited November 15, 201312 yr by Artstu

I think legal 16 mph max assistance e-bikes are more dangerous than lighter none-electric bikes because in all instances other than uphill they're slower, it is hard work to make a draggy heavy e-bike go above the assisted 16 mph limit.

 

Because of that the speed difference is greater, meaning moving out to turn right isn't as easy, and because you're going slower more cars pass you, and with a bigger speed difference.

 

Fast fit cyclists are at much less risk. and this stupid habit of councils to segregate cyclists one minute with a white line for a few yards makes the situation worse, and advance boxes at traffic lights encourage this dangerous undertaking.

 

Stu is spot on.

 

It's tempting to think the 100 mile a day roadies must have a death wish, but they are able to keep pace with the traffic much of the time which is much safer.

 

The 15mph cut off on ebikes can be a safety hazard.

 

A modest increase to 20mph would make ebiking in town and suburbia less of a risk.

 

Stu is also right about the advance stop lines.

 

Cyclists beetling alongside stopped traffic to reach the line are at risk, whichever side they do it.

 

Having made the line, there can be yet more risk when lights turn green and impatient motorists try to barge past the cyclists as they set off.

I am against legislation, especially for what one would hopefully excepts as common sense, there is a highway code and cyclist should abide by it. To make cycling safer I think building cycle lanes separate from mainstream traffic or create barriers to prevent traffic encroaching on to existing cycle lane , undoubtedly this would cost lots of money maybe 5% the cost of HS2, but hey who counting clearly not the HS2 advocates

Not too sure on the "faster the safer" argument. 15mph is faster than the regular non electric commuter speed, at least were I live. Motorists get used to this average speed I think (around 12mph say) Are we suggesting that riding at 25 or 30mph is safer because we can then keep up with the traffic?!

 

I've only had an electric bike for 3 months and was very surprised at how fast I was going relative to my non electric bike. On a few occasions I went into bends too fast. Even though my bike has a front disc brake, I'm not convinced it has the additional stopping power it needs because of my higher average speed and weight.

 

Can someone convince me that ebike brakes are designed for ebikes, or are they, as I suspect, the same as ordinary bikes?

hydraulic brakes are needed at speed over 12mph, especially to slow down quickly around bends.

Not too sure on the "faster the safer" argument. 15mph is faster than the regular non electric commuter speed, at least were I live. Motorists get used to this average speed I think (around 12mph say) Are we suggesting that riding at 25 or 30mph is safer because we can then keep up with the traffic?!

 

I feel much safer going faster, on my restricted e-bike there are situations where I need to take the right hand lane and I find it dangerous when I'm going slower, I have even ended up stopping on the left to wait for a gap that never happened when I was fit and healthy on my racer.

 

 

Can someone convince me that ebike brakes are designed for ebikes, or are they, as I suspect, the same as ordinary bikes?

 

They're standard ordinary brakes so far.

Edited November 15, 201312 yr by Artstu

I don't think there's any difference. Whether you're on an ebike or a push bike, you're still slower than what all other traffic is capable of. You're still the smallest vehicle on the road and you're still vulnerable with no safety cage around you.

hydraulic brakes are needed at speed over 12mph, especially to slow down quickly around bends.

 

Rubbish. They are better granted but not NEEDED above a miserable 12 mph!

I feel much safer going faster, on my restricted e-bike there are situations where I need to take the right hand lane and I find it dangerous when I'm going slower, I have even ended up stopping on the left to wait for a gap that never happened when I was fit and healthy on my racer.

 

Yes right hand lanes can be intimidating. Not really troubled me in York though.

 

They're standard ordinary brakes so far.

 

Exactly! Not very reassuring. My disc is cable operated not hydraulic, so it's not up to the job?

legal requirement is a phrase that always scares me - that means number plates (for id) taxation, safety tests, then its helmets, padding, insurance..........

 

its hard enough to encourage people on bikes to stop at red lights already, and any other front loaded costs would make ebikes even less likely to catch on.

I ride both types, a non-assisted Cube and a Kalkhoff Pro-Connect. I use both to commute along the same route which is a mixture of towns, rural 40 MPH A roads and country lanes. The type of bike you are riding makes absolutely no difference to safety. Safety comes from the bike rider. It's no one else's responsibility and it's certainly not anything to do with the legislators who imposed the 15 MPH max assist speed.

 

The bike rider has to take account of the constantly varying situation and part of the picture is the type of bike being ridden. The best safety mechanism is an ability to be self critical, to know when you have done something stupid, admit it to yourself, learn from it and don't do it again. There is always a danger of being wiped out by the reckless actions of someone else, even if you are totally in the right, but with good vigilance and good a perception ability (nurtured through self analysis), the probability of that happening is lowered. We, the cyclists, are our own biggest danger. We must take on the responsibility of mitigating the consequences of actions taken by fools. Morally this isn't right, but that's of no comfort when you have been squashed.

I ride both types, a non-assisted Cube and a Kalkhoff Pro-Connect. I use both to commute along the same route which is a mixture of towns, rural 40 MPH A roads and country lanes. The type of bike you are riding makes absolutely no difference to safety. Safety comes from the bike rider. It's no one else's responsibility and it's certainly not anything to do with the legislators who imposed the 15 MPH max assist speed.

 

The bike rider has to take account of the constantly varying situation and part of the picture is the type of bike being ridden. The best safety mechanism is an ability to be self critical, to know when you have done something stupid, admit it to yourself, learn from it and don't do it again. There is always a danger of being wiped out by the reckless actions of someone else, even if you are totally in the right, but with good vigilance and good a perception ability (nurtured through self analysis), the probability of that happening is lowered. We, the cyclists, are our own biggest danger. We must take on the responsibility of mitigating the consequences of actions taken by fools. Morally this isn't right, but that's of no comfort when you have been squashed.

 

I agree that a good deal of safety is down to the cyclist him or herself. Totally disagree on you comment of about the type of bike making no difference to safety.

 

Size, weight, tyres, brakes, mud guards and responsiveness all contribute to safety. Different bikes and or tyres for summer and winter conditions.

 

Keeping up with the traffic reduces motorists tendency to get frustrated with the slower traffic.

It is obvious that on any bike you could not keep up on a dual carriageway but around town any e-bike that has a reasonable turn of speed will and in my opinion be a safer option.

Just filled in the 50cycle form:rolleyes:

What I'm seeing here are speed related views of riders mixing it with fast moving traffic.

No one has mentioned shared cycle paths.

Is it safe to let anyone ride these higher speed bikes (20mph has been suggested)

We've all seen the mother with pushchair, toddler and sometimes accompanied by a dog using the shared pathways.

I for one don't think we should be doing those speeds in those circumstances but if you make 20mph the limit someone will.

Common sense isn't as common as people think.

Just filled in the 50cycle form:rolleyes:

What I'm seeing here are speed related views of riders mixing it with fast moving traffic.

No one has mentioned shared cycle paths.

Is it safe to let anyone ride these higher speed bikes (20mph has been suggested)

We've all seen the mother with pushchair, toddler and sometimes accompanied by a dog using the shared pathways.

I for one don't think we should be doing those speeds in those circumstances but if you make 20mph the limit someone will.

Common sense isn't as common as people think.

 

20mph can be perfectly ok on an empty path. On a busy path, 2 mph may be more appropriate.

 

There is no such thing as a safe speed, safer yes. It is always up to the user to ride appropriately.

 

Not all of my bikes have speedometers but somehow I manage to get from A to B swiftly without too much trouble.

Could technology increase cycling safety? Development of autonomous driverless vehicles is now at an an advanced stage, will mass production and use of this technology affect how we cycle on our roads?

hydraulic brakes are needed at speed over 12mph, especially to slow down quickly around bends.

 

I don't see why. Surely it depends on rider + bike weight? I used to ride road bikes at over 20mph and with a combined weight of nearly 100Kg didn't need hydraulic brakes.

coachmark, have you tried side byside hydraulic / cable disc / Vee?

Hydraulic brakes are fast acting, proportional and easily have twice the stopping power of cable disc brakes. I only need to squeeze a little to slow down the bike immediately, they re-assure me. Vee brakes have good stopping power but are inconsistent, difficult to control the amount of braking. I find that cable disc brakes are easy to control but less efficient than V-brakes.

Edited November 15, 201312 yr by trex

E-bikes are potentially safer in respect of the deaths due to being alongside or between vehicles, simply because a loss of momentum is more acceptable when there's added power available to regain speed.

 

Many of the normal bike accidents in cities are due to cyclists taking risks in squeezing past or between vehicles rather than slowing down and losing hard won momentum. A video in a current thread of a cyclist colliding with the side of a car shows this aspect very clearly.

I think ebikes are much safer uphill when passing parked cars,because you can get past them faster meaning less time stuck in the middle of the road,with impatient drivers trying to pass,but on islands and approaching road junctions i think you are less safe,because car drivers are not expecting you too be travelling at the faster speeds,ebikes can travel at and are more likelly to pull out on you.

My disc is cable operated not hydraulic, so it's not up to the job?

I hope you never get in a situation where you get the answer to that question, and if you get in that situation, I hope the answer is yes.

 

I used to own a 200cc Honda with cheap commuter tyres. The front tyre wore out and I struggled to find a replacement. The only thing I was offered was a very expensive sticky short-life sports tyre, so I reluctantly excepted it as there was no alternative. About two days later,I was doing 60mph down a dual carriageway in the pouring rain, when a car pulled straight out on me. I can still remember thinking "I'm dead", but my sticky tyre gave enough grip to halve my normal braking distance, and managed to stop me in time. Somebody up above was definitely looking out for me. Before that, I was happy with my Teflon tyres that lasted nearly forever.

Just a few observations re speed, brakes etc.

Most of my near misses wth cars have been the result of the under estimating my speed and turning in front of me!

Ebikes are defintately safer uphill, less low speed wobbles and less exhausted rider paying more attention.

Having ridden recumbent trikes all bicycle brakes are crap, now we have that out of the way:)

The limitation is the weight mostly moving to the front wheel, any GOOD V brake should be able to approach lockup any more braking can be a detriment to a non skilled cyclist, a mech disc brake can lock both wheels on demand in my experience, Shimano roller brakes are fine for flatter areas but struggle on really steep stuff.

Just my experience.

The problem with V brakes is not that they're able to approach lockup: They go straight past it and send you over the handlebars. A perfect example in this video inpost#14:

http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/electric-bicycles/16141-4th-london-cyclist-killed-8-days-2.html#post198196

I have never had an issue with V brakes not being easy to modulate, the only lockups I have had have been operator generated, I find disc's far more likely to lock up espesially when the adrenaline is flowing.

 

The video is a classic of panic braking, just squeeze as hard as you can instantly and the result was a 100% predictable. The rider was insane to put himself in such a situation.

coachmark, have you tried side byside hydraulic / cable disc / Vee?

Hydraulic brakes are fast acting, proportional and easily have twice the stopping power of cable disc brakes. I only need to squeeze a little to slow down the bike immediately, they re-assure me. Vee brakes have good stopping power but are inconsistent, difficult to control the amount of braking. I find that cable disc brakes are easy to control but less efficient than V-brakes.

 

Yes I have trex.

 

I was just saying that you don't need hydraulic brakes for speeds over 12mph. I totally accept that hydraulic disc brakes are the most powerful and much better than mechanical discs. However, personally I would sooner have v brakes than mechanical discs.

 

At the end of the day I think that rider perception is important and for a lot of riders that may well be happiest with hydraulic discs but you don't need them over 12mph.