is it only expensive bikes that have throttle mode no need to peddle?

[Cyclezee]

Ok,but it is very possible that the ezee bike on the video is more than 20 amp.I belive so.But what do I know

The eZee Street has the standard 20 amp controller as fitted to all eZee bikes.

The combination of 20" wheels and eZee's own high torque V2 motor make it an excellent hill climber

 

[1boris]

Off course,I forgot about the 20" wheel

 

[Geebee]

The ezee has a fit rider putting in a lot of effort as well, a Tonaro in standard guise without the riders input will out climb an ezee but at a lower speed.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

The ezee has a fit rider putting in a lot of effort as well, a Tonaro in standard guise without the riders input will out climb an ezee but at a lower speed.

The Ezee has 33% more power. On medium hills, say 10%, the effort to pedal the large-wheeled Ezee bikes is about the same as the Tonaro. I can imagine that the small-wheeled Ezee bikes climb better, but I haven't tried one.

 

[Geebee]

The Ezee has 33% more power. On medium hills, say 10%, the effort to pedal the large-wheeled Ezee bikes is about the same as the Tonaro. I can imagine that the small-wheeled Ezee bikes climb better, but I haven't tried one.

33% more power through a single high gear is not much help on a steep hill, the ezee I tested had the larger wheel and I went past the hill it failed on yesterday, it was not even close to the one my Tonaro climbs getting home on each ride.
The ezee is impressive and acceleration is amazing for "250w" but on steep hills it suffers from being single speed IF the rider is not assisting, or assisting minimally.

I would love to see a standardised test that showed climbing ability based on the motor only, not relevant to most riders but for those with health issues it would be very useful, plus it would give a real world comparison of climbing ability not based on the rider variable.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

Did you try the normal UK spec Ezee? At the Redbridge event last year, I tried the Tonaro and Ezee Torq back to back and found the pedal effort about the same, though probably went a bit faster on the Ezee. The track had some nice hills on it, typical of what you might find on normal roads.

 

[Geebee]

Did you try the normal UK spec Ezee? At the Redbridge event last year, I tried the Tonaro and Ezee Torq back to back and found the pedal effort about the same, though probably went a bit faster on the Ezee. The track had some nice hills on it, typical of what you might find on normal roads.

I think we came to the conclusion it was the same as UK 250w spec bike when discussing it last.
The Ezee was easy to pedal probably more so off the line than the Tonaro as the hub is a beast but when it came to steep hills the power dies with the speed, the tonaro will crawl up a steep hill in first gear with the motor still spinning at a good rpm with zero assist, I usually try to give it some help but that currently is very little.
The test I gave the ezee was a short, guessing low teen grade, I hit the bottom at 32 kph and it was going fine until the hill steepened and the kph plummeted, I was supplying little assist close to none.

Just so potential buyers don't get the wrong idea, with rider assistance there would be almost no hill the Ezee would not scale with relative ease, and I got the distinct impression if you wished it would cover normal roads like a low speed motor bike with no pedalling.

This is the hill I climb to get home, drag the dot along the profile to see the variation in grade, its a bugger because the hill ramps over 20% in places, I turn off about half way up onto a slightly steeper side rd
http://app.strava.com/segments/girrabong-rd-to-mowbray-ct-639272

 

[jackhandy]

I would love to see a standardised test that showed climbing ability based on the motor only, not relevant to most riders but for those with health issues it would be very useful, plus it would give a real world comparison of climbing ability not based on the rider variable.

It would need to have a speed factor to be useful - Anything could climb well if geared low enough or in a small enough wheel...
0 - 15.5mph, same day

 

[flecc]

I would love to see a standardised test that showed climbing ability based on the motor only, not relevant to most riders but for those with health issues it would be very useful, plus it would give a real world comparison of climbing ability not based on the rider variable.

That would be ideal, but the snag as ever is those torque sensor pedelec systems which require certain levels of rider input in various modes to function. Makes it impossible to have motor only power.

 

[Geebee]

It would need to have a speed factor to be useful - Anything could climb well if geared low enough or in a small enough wheel...
0 - 15.5mph, same day

Climbing at any speed is better than pushing a heavy bike up a steep hill
The hill in my profile would be climbed at about 7 kph, pedalling would increase this significantly.
Bear in mind that as it is a crank drive it will still do about 32 kph on the flat with very little input, about the same as the Ezee.

 

[1boris]

this mac motor use more power,but I am impressed anyway

 

[footpump]

hi all very informative info
did 33 miles Saturday mostly pas level 2 and 3 and tried the hills ,steep bits that I normally have to dismount and push, but most of these are steep but not really long . one I hate is 0.4 miles but is a bit dangerous if having to push cycle uphill.

went up this one ok, battery level was down to one by end of ride no power left at all.

now the big question is it possible for me to alter /change the thumb throttle to something like the (whoosh sirocco twist grip set up) my handlebar meter is almost identical but there is a ( controller pack on my seat downtube ) the woosh also seems to be same en standard as mine.

so can I make mine a FULL speed throttle set up, if so what would I need and a link to source the bits and how to install?

thank you all once again