February 15, 20224 yr I have always given way to pedestrians waiting to cross - if it seems safe not so much to be nice to them - more just in case they do something dumb a head can make a really bad dent in a bonnet!!! When I have done so since the 'changes' people have reacted exactly the same as before - check if I mean it or look confused generally! As far as cycling is concerned - there have been some points where I feel drivers have seem to have been expecting me to 'take the lane' at a narrow point such as a central refuge - so there may be more awareness. It has worked quite well as I always move back to the side immediately after if I can
February 15, 20224 yr That's a good video, thanks. I think his point about cyclists being surprised is quite a good one - i.e. cyclists have to give way to pedestrians too, and that may well not occur to young riders or people that don't drive cars, or simply that they (the cyclists) are already vulnerable themselves, so they're only considering cars - not pedestrians. Being honest, I know - before the changes - I'd have not given way, as long as the pedestrian wasn't actually stepping out. On actual zebra crossing, then yes, I would stop of course. Whilst muttering about the wasted pedalling effort. [Edit: actually, having a second read of the Highway Code Rule H2, I'm not sure you need to give way to people on the main road, only on the side road, like so: Thoughts? Edited February 15, 20224 yr by richtea99
February 15, 20224 yr [Edit: actually, having a second read of the Highway Code Rule H2, I'm not sure you need to give way to people on the main road, only on the side road, like so: Thoughts? Even under the existing law , a vehicle user when leaving a side road has to give way to any pedestrian who has started to cross the main road. Given that, and the consensus to date on the new highway code, when leaving a side road one should give way to pedestrians wanting to cross the main road if it's already clear for them to do so. Put simply, as a vehicle user one should not be the cause of preventing them crossing the main road. If they are already prevented from crossing by traffic travelling along the main road, then no giving way is necessary of course. As the driver making that video says, the code is open to interpretation, as it always has been and why it is not and cannot be the law. .
February 15, 20224 yr Possibly not quite the same situation, flecc (unless I've read your reply incorrectly - not unusual!). I meant I'm going along the main road (near a junction) and someone at a crossing point (not a zebra one) wants to step out. Do I legally need to stop? Were I turning off the main road and the pedestrian is crossing parallel to the main road - as per the image above - I do need to give way, but what if I'm already on the main road?
February 15, 20224 yr So far local to me the new rules haven't worked at all for me on my bike, I have to force the issue and make the cars stop mid turn as they simply are not giving way as they should do. Even on the cycle route running along the main A23 where it crosses two drop kerbs for access to the retail park I have to wave my finger at cars and force across and the tail of cars refuse to give way. Mortons are ignorant unobservant f***s who couldn't give a toss to those on the outside of their metal crates. Edited February 15, 20224 yr by Nealh
February 15, 20224 yr Author Do I legally need to stop No not legally, these are RULES and open to interpretation with a degree of intuition with regards to the situation and consideration to safety for all road users including yourself, I believe the new rules are there to encourage road users including pedestrian to read and foresee the actions of others and plan ahead by commanding your space and the area ahead. I think of it like the amber light if you are 3+ meters away I stop, if I am 1 meter away I go & how many times has someone walked off the pavement, phone in hand and you slammed on the brakes, thinking "I knew he/she was going to that!" I have learnt so much from Ashley, some stuff I knew but forgot and how many actual road markings and signs do we all know. I personally knew that the white zigzag markings near a zebra crossing means no parking but did not know it also means NO undertaking. On one of my first outings on my ebike I did undertake a big van near a zebra cross, one I was familiar with and flew across it and was mere inches from hitting someone, this is the main reason I try and learn everyday.
February 15, 20224 yr Possibly not quite the same situation, flecc (unless I've read your reply incorrectly - not unusual!). I meant I'm going along the main road (near a junction) and someone at a crossing point (not a zebra one) wants to step out. Do I legally need to stop? Were I turning off the main road and the pedestrian is crossing parallel to the main road - as per the image above - I do need to give way, but what if I'm already on the main road? Yes I misunderstood. You definitely do not need to stop if you are already on the main road. If that were the rule the whole country could be paralysed during the rush hour! . Edited February 16, 20224 yr by flecc
February 15, 20224 yr I personally knew that the white zigzag markings near a zebra crossing means no parking but did not know it also means NO undertaking. A bit of an aside, but you can overtake/undertake in the zig zags with one vital proviso: Rule 191 [with my underline]: You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give way to pedestrians. The 'nearest' logic is two-fold I think: - the overtaker/undertaker may not see the pedestrian in time because they're hidden by the nearest vehicle - exactly as you described - the pedestrian is only going to look at the nearest vehicle. Pedestrians still need to judge the nearest vehicle's speed, i.e. will it actually stop in time. They won't be looking at the second vehicle. You can pull alongside the front vehicle though.
February 16, 20224 yr Author You can pull alongside the front vehicle though I suppose this is where intuition comes into to play and taking a slower more cautious approach in built up and pedestrian dense areas, me personally, if possible I would take up a cars space behind the car or stop beside the rear of the first queuing car, mainly because some drivers are unaware of their blind spots and some use the wait to check farcebook. If I am placed at the rear or the side of the car I can see the crossing, others approaching from all sides and inside the car, as for a large lorry, with limited view I would be at the rear on the left until my visibility has increased. Lorries have more blind spots. EDIT + being able to increase my view of any incoming emergency services vehicles.
February 16, 20224 yr Do I legally need to stop? For an opinion as to what is the difference between rules\guidance and what is a legal requiment, go and ask the man in charge, he is called Boris.
February 16, 20224 yr For an opinion as to what is the difference between rules\guidance and what is a legal requiment, go and ask the man in charge, he is called Boris. To paraphrase Sir Robert Armstrong (re: Spycatcher), Boris is 'economical with the truth [and the law]'. 'Winging it' would be a generous description.
February 17, 20224 yr Author ask the man in charge I bet when he cycled to work his aids insisted on him NOT carrying a stick to knock the plebs out of the way:p
February 17, 20224 yr I bet when he cycled to work his aids insisted on him NOT carrying a stick to knock the plebs out of the way:p I dislike Johnson as much as anyone, but in fairness with his cycle commuting he just mucked in with everyone else as just another cyclist in the crowd. He never wore a helmet either until the nanny state media started nagging so much about it that in the end he gave in and put one on just to shut them up. . Edited February 17, 20224 yr by flecc
February 17, 20224 yr I dislike Johnson as much as anyone, but in fairness with his cycle commuting he just mucked in with everyone else as just another cyclist in thecrowd. He never wore a helmet either until the nanny state media started nagging so much about it that in the end he gave in and put one on just to shut them up. . His badgers are dealt with by camouflaged MI5 sniper cyclists with infrared night vision scoped guns Edited February 17, 20224 yr by I893469365902345609348566
February 17, 20224 yr That badger should have crossed at an intersection? It was too quick to stop if it had. Badgers can't press charges. It's pointless suing that badger for a broken wrist, I don't know it's address, and the video is too grainy for a jury to make a positive ID.
February 17, 20224 yr His badgers are dealt with by camouflaged MI5 sniper cyclists with infrared night vision scoped guns No badgers where he cycled. Here's photos of with and without helmet, in fact he's been banned from cycling now by the security services due to terrorist risks.
February 17, 20224 yr No badgers where he cycled. Here's photos of with and without helmet, in fact he's been banned from cycling now by the security services due to terrorist risks. The real fear is badger assassins. Trust me.
February 17, 20224 yr No, they don't drive cars or vans. . Badgers would if they could reach the pedals, as they'd cause far more wrist breakages using vans and cars! Badgers hate cyclists! I have posted proof that badgers hate cyclists! BEWARE OF BADGERS EVERYONE! Install waterproof ultrasonic wildlife deterrents on your bikes! The health of your wrists and skulls demands it! (especially if you are not wearing a helmet) Edited February 17, 20224 yr by I893469365902345609348566
February 17, 20224 yr It's foolish to not wear helmets, while badgers do not adhere to the Highway Code. It isn't even in their Badger Library Edited February 17, 20224 yr by I893469365902345609348566
February 17, 20224 yr He never wore a helmet either until the nanny state media started nagging so much about it that in the end he gave in and put one on just to shut them up. Then picked the most fugly one he could find. Probably one of his many children now doesn't have a lid.
February 17, 20224 yr Then picked the most fugly one he could find. Like me he hates cycle helmets so woudn't have even considered style or efficacy. No problem now of course, he doesn't have to wear one in the chauffeur driven Jag. .
February 17, 20224 yr Author It's foolish to not wear helmets I'd wear a helmet in London just to protect against muggings. As for I893469365902345609348566 I can only imagine your bike is post apocalyptically strewn with badger skulls... Another one for the collection....
March 1, 20224 yr I have always given way to pedestrians waiting to cross - if it seems safe not so much to be nice to them - more just in case they do something dumb a head can make a really bad dent in a bonnet!!! When I have done so since the 'changes' people have reacted exactly the same as before - check if I mean it or look confused generally! As far as cycling is concerned - there have been some points where I feel drivers have seem to have been expecting me to 'take the lane' at a narrow point such as a central refuge - so there may be more awareness. It has worked quite well as I always move back to the side immediately after if I can I've experienced three occasions now where somebody has stepped straight out into the road as I'm approaching. In each case I've quite easily and safely gone round them, either to the left or right, but it's still potentially dangerous. I'm not sure whether they just weren't looking, or so full of their own self important arrogance, they automatically expected me to dodge them. No other vehicles on the roads at the time. All relatively quiet estate roads.
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