Internet Question

The people on here seem really uptodate with technology, so it seems like it might be a good place to to ask this question. Maybe one of you whizz kids will know what to do.

 

Do any of you young people have a good understanding about internet technology?

I'm a little bit in the dark here.

 

I have a good broadband connection in my home, but only in the rooms closest to the WIFI box. When you go to the other side of the house the signal is not so good, and you cant get a reliable connection.

 

My son said i could get a line adapter or something. Something about creating a second signal hotspot in the house. He gets a bit impatient with me when I don't quite follow what he's trying to explain.

 

Has anyone else had a problem like this one?

Thanks.

Hello and welcome, pop in to Maplins the folks their should be able to help and show you the kit to fix your problem.

http://www.4gon.co.uk/ubiquiti-unifi-ac-pro-indoor-outdoor-access-point-p-6638.html

 

half the price but only 2.4ghz

http://www.4gon.co.uk/ubiquiti-unifi-uap-single-unit-p-4743.html

Or PC World and ask about WiFi range extenders:

 

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/networking/wifi-range-extenders/1133_8545_71559_xx_xx/xx-criteria.html

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Strava definitely need to improve their app

I think you will find it has something to do with the walls of your house, a reinforced concrete structural wall will stop your signal. I used to live in a house that was made partly from Roman bricks (yes from the days of the empire...) and those killed any kind of signal. You also have to consider where you have placed the WiFi router, is it central?

 

And you don't have to be young to know about the internet, I have been involved with the internet for about 23 years now.

A powerline wifi adaptor set is the best option, as long as your mains wiring is in good shape and on a single circuit. It sends ethernet signals over your mains cabling.

 

Something like this will do the job:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/WiFi-Boosters/TL-WPA4220KIT-V1-20-Powerline-Extender-Configuration-Smartphone-UK/B01LXOZ4EN/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1485464100&sr=8-2&keywords=powerline+wifi

 

I wouldn't get a "WiFi Range extender" (single wifi box thing) as they tend to cut the throughput in half.

The people on here seem really uptodate with technology, so it seems like it might be a good place to to ask this question. Maybe one of you whizz kids will know what to do.

 

Do any of you young people have a good understanding about internet technology?

I'm a little bit in the dark here.

 

I have a good broadband connection in my home, but only in the rooms closest to the WIFI box. When you go to the other side of the house the signal is not so good, and you cant get a reliable connection.

 

My son said i could get a line adapter or something. Something about creating a second signal hotspot in the house. He gets a bit impatient with me when I don't quite follow what he's trying to explain.

 

Has anyone else had a problem like this one?

Thanks.

The signal to your wifi box is good. And near it the wifi signal is strong so your internet conection is good. As you go further away the wifi signal drops(weakens) so you get lower access to internet.

Your son suggests a line adapter. This is a link using wires in the house to provide a good link to a second( or more) points. Here you can have another wifi box and get good internet access.

This is only normally a problem with very large buildings or ones with electrically thick walls. I assume the family pile is on a reasonable estate with the gamekeepers house reasonably remote.

The signal to your wifi box is good. And near it the wifi signal is strong so your internet conection is good. As you go further away the wifi signal drops(weakens) so you get lower access to internet.

Your son suggests a line adapter. This is a link using wires in the house to provide a good link to a second( or more) points. Here you can have another wifi box and get good internet access.

This is only normally a problem with very large buildings or ones with electrically thick walls. I assume the family pile is on a reasonable estate with the gamekeepers house reasonably remote.

 

 

Hi we all don't live in mansions similar to Dave's description of his pile, but even smaller houses can have internet comms problems.

 

If building extensions were done and or if aluminium foiled insulation .. is used in walls say kingspan type it will really scupper wifi signals.

 

Regrettably , the best way , and the cheapest way of ensuring reliable internet is by hardwiring cables .Well cheapest if you do the labour yourself. Depending on your house , very long cables properly terminated are available from maplin, B &Q and other major hardware stores. Your telecoms provider gave you a box which connects to the telephone line .... The modem. On the back of this there are typically 4 Ethernet outlets. A cable from any of these can be connected to a router giving another 4,8,16 connections. A cable from any of these going to either a computer , printer, settop box etc will provide internet . If you need it going to a mobile device e.g a tablet there are hotspot wi-fi nodes available.

That process can be extended almost indefinitely... Well up to 255 connections without bother.

Slightly less effective is to use a power line adapter. These are used in a minimum of two but can be extended up to four or more. The ethernet cable from the modem is connected to one of these and it is plugged into the wall. It then uses the electric mains wiring to send information to and from its mate. Provided both or more powerline adaptors are on the same electric circuit eg use the same electric phases, or are powered by the same switchboard, they can all communicate. You can reliably connect up to about 4 of these. Again some of these have cable outputs and some have WiFi nodes as well.

These are less effective for two reasons 1. The data throughout is lower than a dedicated cable , the response speed also drops as a function of the distance between the units , but does work over reasonable distances.

2. The protocols these things use require one to set itself as a master and the others as slaves. However sometimes they forget themselves and start squabbling.... So they are fine for a dual set but they can confuse themselves when multiples are used.

In case you are worried about your neighbours listening in on your powerline network... Don't be, the electric power meter at the mains inlet kills the signals

You don't have to use the wifi from the box you were provided with. It has sockets for ethernet cables, so buy a cable and a wifi router from Ebay, and put the router somewhere nearer the area where you get no signal. Used routers are really cheap on Ebay.

Hi we all don't live in mansions similar to Dave's description of his pile,

 

Please don't misquote me. The park rangers would be offended if they were called game keepers:mad:.( posted on their bequest)

Hi we all don't live in mansions similar to Dave's description of his pile, but even smaller houses can have internet comms problems.

 

If building extensions were done and or if aluminium foiled insulation .. is used in walls say kingspan type it will really scupper wifi signals.

 

Regrettably , the best way , and the cheapest way of ensuring reliable internet is by hardwiring cables .Well cheapest if you do the labour yourself. Depending on your house , very long cables properly terminated are available from maplin, B &Q and other major hardware stores. Your telecoms provider gave you a box which connects to the telephone line .... The modem. On the back of this there are typically 4 Ethernet outlets. A cable from any of these can be connected to a router giving another 4,8,16 connections. A cable from any of these going to either a computer , printer, settop box etc will provide internet . If you need it going to a mobile device e.g a tablet there are hotspot wi-fi nodes available.

That process can be extended almost indefinitely... Well up to 255 connections without bother.

Slightly less effective is to use a power line adapter. These are used in a minimum of two but can be extended up to four or more. The ethernet cable from the modem is connected to one of these and it is plugged into the wall. It then uses the electric mains wiring to send information to and from its mate. Provided both or more powerline adaptors are on the same electric circuit eg use the same electric phases, or are powered by the same switchboard, they can all communicate. You can reliably connect up to about 4 of these. Again some of these have cable outputs and some have WiFi nodes as well.

These are less effective for two reasons 1. The data throughout is lower than a dedicated cable , the response speed also drops as a function of the distance between the units , but does work over reasonable distances.

2. The protocols these things use require one to set itself as a master and the others as slaves. However sometimes they forget themselves and start squabbling.... So they are fine for a dual set but they can confuse themselves when multiples are used.

In case you are worried about your neighbours listening in on your powerline network... Don't be, the electric power meter at the mains inlet kills the signals

You don't have to use the wifi from the box you were provided with. It has sockets for ethernet cables, so buy a cable and a wifi router from Ebay, and put the router somewhere nearer the area where you get no signal. Used routers are really cheap on Ebay.

 

Hi d8veh ( made sure to get that right),

What was it that you disagreed with

Was it

1. That the other Dave lives in a mansion

2. That direct wiring is faster and more reliable.

3. That powerline data rates are dependent on separation

4. That they must be on the same phase and on the same side of the main utility powermeter.

5. That kingspan insulation panels using aluminium interfere with wi-fi

6. That multiple powerline adaptors can confuse themselves when there are more than 4.

 

Except for 1 above, I have direct experience of the rest, and eventually found it necessary to revert to direct cables in order to increase reliability.

Please don't misquote me. The park rangers would be offended if they were called game keepers:mad:.( posted on their bequest)

 

It was an attempt at humour on my part, obviously my jokes are no laughting matter.

Another vote for direct wiring. I connect everything that way, computers, smart TV, satellite and Freeview/Freetime recorders. Great connection speeds, no dropouts and totally secure.

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my unifi disc goes through 2 concrete walls and a floor for the kodi box in the front room and streams films with no problems on the wifi even with all the other devices on it as well.

 

ubiquiti is enterprise class hardware and can be scaled to one disc or hundreds if you live in a castle

 

 

the software has been updated now tho but still works the same way

Edited January 27, 20179 yr by soundwave

It was an attempt at humour on my part, obviously my jokes are no laughting matter.

Sorry my attempt at returning humour missed mark on way back.

Sorry my attempt at returning humour missed mark on way back.

Enough apologies... Let's get on with insulting each other ...

Enough apologies... Let's get on with insulting each other ...

... And I had picked up on the reference to park rangers.

Sorry my attempt at returning humour missed mark on way back.

 

Mark doesn't appear to have noticed.

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Mark doesn't appear to have noticed.

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He's a bit short sighted

my unifi disc goes through 2 concrete walls and a floor for the kodi box in the front room and streams films with no problems on the wifi even with all the other devices on it as well.

 

ubiquiti is enterprise class hardware and can be scaled to one disc or hundreds if you live in a castle

 

 

the software has been updated now tho but still works the same way

 

There is concrete wall then there is concrete wall... Concrete from the 1920s is some parts of the world is impenetrable by radio waves, I tried. That house was therefore cabled with cat 5 and you had to go to the window to use the phone. The clay the Romans used to make the bricks in the southwest of France has quite a bit of iron sands in it with the results you can imagine. Here I am sitting in a wooden house from 1870s and I can connect my WiFi box from the bar three floors down.

 

A client asked me to connect their network to an outbuilding about 400 m away from the main building. I had to find a space between the branches of a small oak tree wood between the two and the spot for the antenna under the roof was only 1 metre in diameter. The connection wasn't very good in strong winds...

Wow. Thanks so much fellas. Your advice is much appreciated. So, there are a number of options.

I've been reading up on Powerline adapters, and like the sound of the technology. It uses the electric cabling already installed in the house. So there's no rewiring, and you get a physical cabling connection.

https://www.greasemonkeydirect.com/blogs/news/whats-all-this-i-hear-about-powerline-network-adapters

I've ordered some online. Hope it's ok. And setup is not overly technical. D8ve, maybe you can send over your butler if I'm struggling??

:)

 

Fingers crossed.

Please James is required here, perhaps one of my techie monkeys instead.