I see your cheating then!

Riding along tonight in eco and passed a guy that i said hello to. Heard him say ah your cheating then in a definite manner (first time this has happened to me).

 

Don't think he thought i'd bite n stop. Bet he wished i hadn't after i put him straight!!!!!.

 

Told him to look me up on strava if he thought i was cheating and have a look at some of the KOM's . times i'd got some time ago when i was in a roadie club.

In effect KOM's mean very little, but I'm sure i was having a hell of a lot more fun than him on my e-bike and if he wanted to remain a luddite that was up too him, but i wasn't cheating anyone.

 

He was shell shocked and said nothing.

 

Having a bad day at work doesn't help;)

Just be careful that you don't become confrontational and argumentative just to prove your point. Sometimes I think we are in danger of becoming the oposite of them by feeling the need to defend our use of ebikes which makes us as bad as them.. not that it's an us and them situation. I consider those that cry cheating are future ebikers... they just don't know it yet.

The normal riders I speak to are happy I just get out and not rot in front of the TV.

The very fast ones don't speak.

The normal riders I speak to are happy I just get out and not rot in front of the TV.

The very fast ones don't speak.

Even when you pass them on hills? [emoji13]

Even when you pass them on hills? [emoji13]

Not a hope, they are fast. I don't even try to keep anymore.

I remember chatting to some stragglers while passing, the leaders had stopped. One thought he could have fun and rode one inch from my back wheel, having a mirror I could see. So I upped the power, changed down and made him work. I thought he was having a heart attack, he wasn't going to give up if he could help it but had to stop when totally exhausted.

 

The fast ones I'm talking of I'd have less chance than the one behind me.

As I've said before, "Who am I cheating then?" normally ties their tongue pretty quickly. Then, if they're on a road bike, I normally follow up with, "Is it cheating to use a lightweight bike with thin tyres?" and "Is it cheating to wear wind-cheating clothing like lycra?", "Are those pedals clipless?". Then I bore them by giving a lecture on different ways to reduce energy input while cycling. If they're just a normal guy on a normal bike, puffing against the wind, I normally ask if they've tried an electric bike. Very occasionally, depending on my judgement, I let them have a go on mine. Turning the power down to level zero and then asking if they want to swap bikes for a bit would be fun.

 

The best one I did was when a guy figured out that I was going too fast too easily but didn't know why. He knew I was "cheating", but he wanted to know how, so I told him that I had a gravity tilter. "How does that work then?" "Simple", I said; "See that lever? When I press it, the gravity tilter in the bag behind the seat sends out a field that tilts gravity by about 10 deg, so I roll down the hill. Watch". Then the lights changed, so I pressed the lever and rolled away as I waved him goodbye.

The more hate ebikes get the more I want one.

Agree with comments here. I did bite, but even my local mtb club are great with e-bike acceptance. The "leader" of the club said I was welcome to join them anytime, and even stated these bikes are the future of cycling in one form or another.

I can see a time when motors are small, cheaper, lighter and much more efficient. Why wouldn't you want one then even if just for emergencies.

I've had this a few times.

Ask them if they use a TV remote or do they walk to the TV and use

the buttons under the flap.

I've had this a few times.

Ask them if they use a TV remote or do they walk to the TV and use

the buttons under the flap.

Or if they use the stairs instead of the elevator to get to thier office, or a brace and bit instead of an electric drill for the weekend DIY project. If not, then why are they cheating??

Do these same people also feel cheated when they pay good money to see a band only to discover they use electric guitars

Me thinks it's time for some people to come out of the cave and evolve

Edited April 25, 20179 yr by E-Wheels

In fairness to the other side, there is an issue about the purity of human endeavour, and the use of a motor does affect that aspect. Just look at the media storm when a female race cyclist was suspected of using a concealed motor. Of course that is a sport use, so like using performance enhancing drugs is unacceptable.

 

But how far is the use of enhancements acceptable in other circumstances? For example, in 1978 two mountaineers climbed Everest without using oxygen, proving for the first time that it could be done. Therefore one might say that all the climbers before and since who used the technology of oxygen equipment were cheating. Should they be in the record books?

 

If you think that is acceptable, at what point do you draw the line at using technology? If I go to the top in a helicopter, that's also using technology to reach the summit of Everest, so should I be included in the list of those who reached the summit?

 

Ultimately the use of technical aids is all cheating, or none of it is.

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In fairness to the other side, there is an issue about the purity of human endeavour, and the use of a motor does affect that aspect. Just look at the media storm when a female race cyclist was suspected of using a concealed motor. Of course that is a sport use, so like using performance enhancing drugs is unacceptable.

 

But how far is the use of enhancements acceptable in other circumstances? For example, in 1978 two mountaineers climbed Everest without using oxygen, proving for the first time that it could be done. Therefore one might say that all the climbers before and since who used the technology of oxygen equipment were cheating. Should they be in the record books?

 

If you think that is acceptable, at what point do you draw the line at using technology? If I go to the top in a helicopter, that's also using technology to reach the summit of Everest, so should I be included in the list of those who reached the summit?

 

Ultimately the use of technical aids is all cheating, or none of it is.

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Agree to a point, but i'm not saying i want to be included in the purity of human endeavour when it comes to cycling, hence don't say i'm cheating.

I think you get the point!

Hi when i get home of a ride daughters might lift their heads from thier phones and say how far then dad. or about 25miles i annswer.Yeah but thats cheating they say. Yeah but i enjoyed it better than staying in id answer.Maybe it is cheating but wtf i like it.Although to be honest when i get my normal bike out it can seem hard work.But riding my normal bike is easier than it was before due to extra miles i do on the ebike.

I have a Trek eMTB and also a Boardman 29er. I use both of my bikes but for different rides. I use the eMTB for my adventurous routes like Church Stretton and Cannock chase and i use the 29er for a quick blast after work. When on the eMTB i have had a few funny looks and a couple of cheating comments. When this happens i try to engage in a conversation and then let them have a blast on the eMTB after 5 minutes you can see thier views have changed. I am 45 years old and a good hill has me blowing out my arse. I personally feel a eMTB with assisted help to 15mph just takes the edge off the hills on the trails i am travelling over 15mph so don't have the assistance. This sunday i came across a man on a full suspension normal bike and he was fast i managed to stay with him throughout the one trail and he pulled over and said " no one normally manages to stay with me " he gestured me to follow him down the next trail so i did. 2 trails later i was still glued to his back tyre and he pulled over and said " you are really quick" i then broke it to him that i had a battery..... his face was a picture. I offered him a go and he excepted he jumped on and said "what button do i push to make it go ". You have to pedal it i said he had a little ride and when he returned he was very impressed and was not what he expected. I think E Bikes will only get more and more popular. People that have injuries or are a little mature will appreciate the benefits of an eBike.

Any technology is "cheating".

Let's get back to running through the forests naked.

The problem is cultural perception. In somewhere like the Netherlands cycling is utilitarian transport but in the U.K. Cycling clubs perpetuate the myth that everyone should be the next Bradley Wiggins.

I now commute to work on an Oxydrive hybrid conversion and keep up with my son and his mates at weekends on an eMTB.

Activities at my age,56, my father would never have contemplated.

By the way we get the same snobbery with boats in this country buts that's another story [emoji10]

 

 

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Gave my son's MTB school group and parents ago in weekend. Most had same question about how to make it go. Kids were converts, they are all about going downhill, climbs are a necessary evil which eBikes make fun. The parents all came back impressed but maybe not all converts.

I must say in the 2 years that I have had my bike, I see more and more on the trails and I get less of you are cheating.

One day most cycling may be on e-bikes.

 

Then the occasional unpowered cyclist may have to suffer e-biker's shouts of "Show off".

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Lol love it

Ive had comments ,like is that electrick ,how much ,and ot course does it charge itself,.but really just people interested. To be honest some or most of the ebikes ive seen are well designed and hide the batterys well .The fact im off at 15mph up a steep hill gives it away.

One day most cycling may be on e-bikes.

 

Then the occasional unpowered cyclist may have to suffer e-biker's shouts of "Show off".

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Oddly, I'm using the pedal mtb more than the eMTB these days, and actually plan to upgrade from a hard tail to a full suspension pedal mtb at some stage this year.

 

The popularity of eMTB's is actually driving me away from them. The number of eMTB's around here, is rapidly increasing, and I was asked last week, if I fancied going out for a group ride. I won't be repeating the experience ever again, as all were riding bikes that either had dongles, or the cut off removed. If I wanted to be out with a group of motorcyclists, I buy another KTM EXC and stick to green lanes.

I'm also currently a bit fecked off by the fact that a minority of irresponsible eMTB riders, probably those as above, are spoiling it for others. Just a few weeks ago, someone that I know was knocked off his mtb by an eMTB rider, that choose to come flying past him on a hill climb in the Forest of Dean.

I'm beginning to see and fully understand why so many people are against eMTB's, and I just hope that I don't end up being one of them.

 

From now on it is either group rides out on the pedal mtb, or just solo on the eMTB, and as far away from others as is possible. Having said that, there are a few eMTB owners on here that I'd happily go for a ride with.

Edited April 26, 20179 yr by EddiePJ

I won't be repeating the experience ever again, as all were riding bikes that either had dongles, or the cut off removed.

 

...and so what!??

 

please explain how did that interfere with your own riding pleasure?

I have been to the Forest of Dean with Chris, we went on a Wednesday and had a superb time, BUT Chris had warned me that at the weekends it is a free for all and Lin had almost been skittled by an idiot.

 

I think the FOD is a bad example for anything as everything is so concentrated there, a lot of people many inexperienced in a small place, a recipe for trouble.

 

You are all welcome to Herefordshire, there is no one here at all. If you fall off your bike and hurt yourself, they might with luck find your bleached bones as there is also no mobile phone signal.

 

No hating, actually no cyclists, (that I ever see) no restrictions, I think its the over crowding in the South.

 

Sorry Eddie it's an eMTB or car for me. I do go out with my fit younger friend on his MTB but no way can he keep up where I go and any where near the speed, my average speed on the display used to be 12 ish, now we regularly go out its 9 ish. He is a fit 32, but the hills around here are killers I know its a powered bike I ride but its great.

 

There is a huge effort to cycling but Mountain Biking is the worst so for an old bloke of 53 to be lurking here there and everywhere is only thanks to Mr Yamaha and Mr Haibike.

 

Never met a hater but did almost catch one rider I would have killed if I had carried on on a nasty up hill but decided to let him get away, my mother brought me up to be kind.

 

Chris and I are the disciples of eBike when we are out and about spreading the gospel, sometimes wondering if we are going to get left with the MTB we have swapped for someone to try. I said this to Chris one day and he then looked at the bike I was left with and said it was easily £3k so I was a lot more relaxed.

 

We was at the FOD where two blokes had taken out eBikes for a try, Chris and I were holding their MTB's and a Lady cyclist who came up "I said look out there are two of those cheating ebikers coming down, the lightweights".

 

Like I said you have to get the punches in first.

 

Apologies for going on,but I have a cold so home drinking scotch on a lovely sunny evening...should be out.

not much point going on a group ride if every bike can leave you for dead

 

i bet they change there tune on a 40 mile bike ride tho you might have the speed but you pay the price in distance

I really wish dongles or the like we're never invented. I can see major problems with access to conservation land here in New Zealand where a lot of walking tracks also allow bikes. While I was on one a few weeks back, noticed an ebiker on a hub motor type bike travelling at speed up a single way track and yelling at walkers to get out of his way. At the rate he was travelling it must have been derestricted and had a throttle fitted as there wasn't much pedalling going on. People didn't look at all happy.

Only takes a few upset walkers to complain to DOC and ebikes will be barred from these areas.

 

From a selfish point it wouldn't affect me too much as I have access to a huge privately owned mountainous sheep station that includes probably hundreds of kms of farm tracks and old miners trails.

Edited April 27, 20179 yr by Retyred1