I Ped S?

[Joshrk94]

Hi thinking of buying an electric moped, would the I ped S be a good choice?

 

[Alan Quay]

Hi thinking of buying an electric moped....

Oldtom is your man. He's always recommending people buy mopeds.

 

[shambolic]

I have an Iped Lite and that is very well built requiring very little maintenance. All these bikes are heavy compared to an E-bike style but hold the road well. Mine has no exercise value as there is really no assisted pedaling but the S may be different in that regard. Really comfortable too.

 

[soundwave]

this good zoom round on that

 

[Twangman]

I have an Iped Lite and that is very well built requiring very little maintenance. All these bikes are heavy compared to an E-bike style but hold the road well. Mine has no exercise value as there is really no assisted pedaling but the S may be different in that regard. Really comfortable too.[/QUOTE

How does it go up hill, I'm thinking of getting one when I move out of London in a month or so. Currently dithering between the lite or the classic and wondering how much the weight of the classic even with the better motor is actually better uphill than the lite?

 

[shambolic]

It does the hills where I am (Colchester) just fine, better than my Woosh bike does. I've done some steep hills in the country park on it but none of them are very long hills. I went for the lite because the other models where just loaed on plastic frontage and I figure the leaner body would be easier on the motor and less likely to fall apart.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Josh....we would all be interested in what's involved in the registration process?
The weight at 59 kilos is too heavy to be classed as a pedelecs.
As from January 2016 these bikes will have the same throttle problem as the rest of us but they really don't seem to suit power delivery remote from a twist and go.
I am always amazed that these heavy machines seem to perform so well with only 250 watts of power....if I added 30 kilos to my Kudos Cobra bike it would struggle.....they must have more powerful watts than the rest of us have access to, wish I understood the technology they have achieved.
KudosDave

 

[Deleted member 4366]

According to the seller, you don't need to register it, as it has a "200w" motor and is limited to15 mph.

 

[Kudoscycles]

According to the seller, you don't need to register it, as it has a "200w" motor and is limited to15 mph.

Yeh,hehe.... With 59kgs weight and only 200 watt motor I am surprised it manages to get to 15 mph !!!!!
It does need to be registered because of the weight,exceeding 40 kilos.

What about Zippe electric scooters....these guys offer 1500 watt scooter and advertise that they will guide through the registration process.

 

[shambolic]

I thought weight was no longer an issue with the new rules?

 

[Alan Quay]

I thought weight was no longer an issue with the new rules?

Me too, I'm pretty sure 40k weight limit has been removed.

 

[trex]

only if you have a number plate.
getting the number plate is the problem.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

There's no weight limit now with or without a number-plate

 

[Alan Quay]

https://www.gov.uk/electric-bike-rules

 

[Deleted member 4366]

They got the rule about power wrong in that listing. It makes you wonder about the accuracy of the rest.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Why didn't we just sign up to EN15194, it seems to satisfy the rest of Europe where Pedelecs are a real success.
It seems to me these scooter sellers set their specification to match the regs.....
When the weight limit was 40 kilos,they said they weighed 39 kilos....I tried to pick one up at a show,it definitely weighed much more than that....now that the weight seems unlimited,they suddenly weigh 59 kilos,hehe !!!
When the power limit was 200 watts,they said the power was 200 watts....now the power has been raised to 250 watts,suddenly their spec states 250 watts,hehe.
I suspect that these sellers must be concerned about putting these scooters through type approval,to be able to fit twist and go throttles,because the guys at the test centres are good engineers,they will know the difference between 250 watts and 800 watts,hehe!!!!
If these machines are pedelecs then test them to EN15194,the Chinese have TUV and SGS test centres throughout China,the cost is not punitive and then their is no doubt about their specs.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

https://www.gov.uk/electric-bike-rules

Alan,that summary is very badly written,in fact complete garbage..

It says that the 'maximum motor power should not exceed 250 watts'....they mean the nominal motor power,250 watts under load would be useless for hill climbing,most of the current pedelecs are 500-750 watts under load.

It says that....the bike must have a plate displaying either...
Choice 1......the motor's power output or the manufacturer.
Choice 2......the voltage of the battery or maximum speed of the bike.
It is so ambiguous as to be useless....
Choice 1...,,,do they mean nominal or peak power?
do they mean the motor manufacturer or the bike manufacturer?
Choice 2.....ok the voltage of the battery,24/36 or 48 volt,but what relevance is this?
do they mean maximum assisted speed or maximum speed downhill?
It says 'either' so I choose choice 1 ,I put the bike manufacturer name 'Kudos' on the bike so I have satisfied the plate requirement.
Or I choose choice 2,I put the battery voltage on the battery so I have satisfied the plate requirement.

KudosDave

 

[EddiePJ]

I'll have to take a closer look at what our local post office use. They use electric mopeds for deliveries, but I've never paid them any attention. They are certainly registered though.

 

[Alan Quay]

Alan,that summary is very badly written,in fact complete garbage..

It says that the 'maximum motor power should not exceed 250 watts'....they mean the nominal motor power,250 watts under load would be useless for hill climbing,most of the current pedelecs are 500-750 watts under load.

It says that....the bike must have a plate displaying either...
Choice 1......the motor's power output or the manufacturer.
Choice 2......the voltage of the battery or maximum speed of the bike.
It is so ambiguous as to be useless....
Choice 1...,,,do they mean nominal or peak power?
do they mean the motor manufacturer or the bike manufacturer?
Choice 2.....ok the voltage of the battery,24/36 or 48 volt,but what relevance is this?
do they mean maximum assisted speed or maximum speed downhill?
It says 'either' so I choose choice 1 ,I put the bike manufacturer name 'Kudos' on the bike so I have satisfied the plate requirement.
Or I choose choice 2,I put the battery voltage on the battery so I have satisfied the plate requirement.

KudosDave

I agree, it's a shockingly poor document for the government to publish, but crucially it does not mention a weight limit, leading me to believe that there is not one.

I assume this means that I can now build a bicycle rickshaw, with enough room for 3 people and luggage, and a low geared/high torque motor.

Also, I thought the number of wheels was no longer restricted to 3 giving rise to other possibilities.

 

[Kudoscycles]

I agree, it's a shockingly poor document for the government to publish, but crucially it does not mention a weight limit, leading me to believe that there is not one.

I assume this means that I can now build a bicycle rickshaw, with enough room for 3 people and luggage, and a low geared/high torque motor.

Also, I thought the number of wheels was no longer restricted to 3 giving rise to other possibilities.

The latest Bafang Max crank drive system with 80 Nm torque could be a useful power unit or get D8veh to recommend a low speed-high torque BPM hub motor....there are different specs to achieve torque or speed.
Bafang are at Eurobike next week will try to come back with more details.
KudosDave