I had an accident... AGAIN!!!!

[Old_Dave]

But hows the front carrier u bolt ?

 

[cwah]

Crash was on the rear. The front is perfectly fine.

Hopefully he didn't do any harm on the battery!

 

[amigafan2003]

Hang on a minute..............

To date, I've never had any accident caused by my fault. Everytime it was the other driver fault.

Cool.

Once I wheeeliiied to the floor trying to compet against a motorbike on acceleration.

So was it the motorbikes fault?

 

[Deleted member 4366]

Hang on a minute..............



Cool.



So was it the motorbikes fault?

Definitely! If the motorbike hadn't been there, Cwah wouldn't have been trying to race it. It's similar to those guys in Lycra forcing us to go faster than we normally do. WE'd be much safer without them. Perhaps they should be banned.

 

[103Alex1]

^^ That's exactly what I thought. Spat out my tea laughing. Made my afternoon when I got to that bit in cwah's post...

It's true London cabbies (especially minicabs) are horrendous to be around as another road user. I've no doubt Black Cab drivers' skills are well above those of many others and their accident rate relative to the risks they take is far lower than most. But that's not the point. They have zero tolerance of other road users, cause endless stress and aggravation to anyone not driving like them and that by itself makes their driving "inappropriate to the road conditions" (i.e. with anyone other than them using the road) - a fundamental lynchpin of what is appropriate on a public highway.

Used to drive round Mayfair regularly trying to find street parking (dirt cheap compared to the multi-storeys for anything up to 4 hours) and you could guarantee there would be at least one black cab tailgating and weaving impatiently trying to overtake at all times. Could never be described as an enjoyable experience !

It's similar to those guys in Lycra forcing us to go faster than we normally do. WE'd be much safer without them. Perhaps they should be banned.

Does it count if you wear your bibshorts underneath ?

 

[tillson]

I VERY CAUTIOUS WHEN RIDDING. To date, I've never had any accident caused by my fault. Everytime it was the other driver fault. I can count maybe 5 in total:
- Once I crashed a pedestrian that jumped on me
- Once a driver turned suddently on the left and I crashed on him and pocked a small cavity to his door. Somehow my brompton re-enforced battery bag is good as protection against car crash hehe.
- Once a driver opened the door when I was cycling and throw me on the floor
- Once I wheeeliiied to the floor trying to compet against a motorbike on acceleration.
- And the last one is this one.................


So, again, never my fault.

cwah, I simply can't work out whether you come onto the forum to provoke / stimulate discussion or if you really are the character that comes across in your forum posts. Either way, some good points and interesting discussions result.

If you don't mind me saying, I think that your attitude towards fault, blame, error (call it what you like) is rather worrying and I think that you might be killed or seriously injured in the not too distant future. Try to learn something from all of these incidents, relive them in your mind and be self critical to the point of very being harsh on yourself. It's very rare if not ever the case that you are completely blameless. There are nearly always things that you can do differently to protect yourself from the idiotic behaviour of others.

 

[indalo]

There are nearly always things that you can do differently to protect yourself from the idiotic behaviour of others.

I have only read contributions to this thread from a small number of correspondents, (so grateful to the ignore facility) but I have been able to glean the gist of the situation and clearly the barrack-room lawyers have been busy with advice and guidance.

Tillson is quite right with his comment above but I'm concerned that these collisions are not always the fault of the nasty motorist as we know that sometimes, cyclists can be reckless in their behaviour and have been known to cause accident and injury.

In the case of the original poster, given his previous record, I'm reminded of the quote by Wilde, "To lose one parent may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness."

Indalo

 

[Old_Dave]

The importance of being Earnest ?


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[wurly]

Never mind cwah, dust yourself down, fix her up and keep twatting about with big batteries.
If you stop posting one day we'll know what happened.

 

[cwah]

What I mean was that amongst all accident I had, I've NEVER EVER harmed anyone from my mistake. For the wheelie case, the only on the ground was me. No one else.

Since my accident with the pedestrian I'm much more careful about them and try to be closer to the road.. but guess what? When you're closer to the road driver pass through you carelessly. It's very dangerous, especially in london narrow roads..

I can't see how I could have escaped some of my accidents, such as the one where the driver opened the door to push me out on the road. Going more center to the road is as risky with all these inconscious driver..

 

[Cyclezee]

Hi Cwah,

Firstly, I am glad to read that neither you nor anyone else was seriously injured, secondly I am aslo glad that I didn't sell you the eZee kits for a dual motor setup, something I was criticised for at the time.

 

[smudger1956]

Interesting read, crash/illegal bikes/verbal exchanges/e-bike legistration....wonderful..
Glad you are ok cwah, you are very lucky.

 

[Jeremy]

I am aslo glad that I didn't sell you the eZee kits for a dual motor setup, something I was criticised for at the time.

The curious streak in me wonders why? Have your kits been approved, and if so, how? A kit cannot be Type Approved to EN15194, neither can it be approved to SI 1168, unless the motor power output (with the specific battery supplied), in the customers specific installation, has been tested, at an approved test house, to BS1727: 1971.

Unless your kits are so approved for each installation, then the bike they are fitted to is a motor vehicle, not a bicycle, and as such would be no more legal than the ebike that cwah has built.

 

[fishingpaul]

WHAT UTTER CRAP,the poor bloke gets run over, the driver tries to do a runner and the attitude is its tough luck for having an illegal bike,but if YOU get run over you have a legal bike so why worry about dangerous drivers,YOU could claim against them if you are able to take the number,before they leave YOU just another annoying cyclist for dead,maybe if a pensioner or child steps out onto the road it is is their fault, for not paying you enough attention on your fully certified legal (LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY I CAN WASTE) electric bike.

 

[amigafan2003]

WHAT UTTER CRAP,the poor bloke gets run over, the driver tries to do a runner and the attitude is its tough luck for having an illegal bike,but if YOU get run over you have a legal bike so why worry about dangerous drivers,YOU could claim against them if you are able to take the number,before they leave YOU just another annoying cyclist for dead,maybe if a pensioner or child steps out onto the road it is is their fault, for not paying you enough attention on your fully certified legal (LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY I CAN WASTE) electric bike.

I'm soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo glad someone finally came in and said that!

 

[GT3]

Fishingpaul, agreed. There's some nonsense spouted here.

As an example, if I'm an uninsured motorist and smeone runs into me, does that make them any less negligent? Of course not. My illegality is irrelevant to my claim against the other driver. The exposure to prosecution only occurs if the Police become involved and exercise their right to inspect my documents.

There are thousands of bikes that do not fit the regs. How would or could the Police, should they become involved, have any idea (or know how to confirm) that Cwah's is one of them?

Sue the driver for your loss. You have nothing to fear.

 

[Jeremy]

WHAT UTTER CRAP,the poor bloke gets run over, the driver tries to do a runner and the attitude is its tough luck for having an illegal bike,but if YOU get run over you have a legal bike so why worry about dangerous drivers,YOU could claim against them if you are able to take the number,before they leave YOU just another annoying cyclist for dead,maybe if a pensioner or child steps out onto the road it is is their fault, for not paying you enough attention on your fully certified legal (LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY I CAN WASTE) electric bike.

Not quite. Try reading the content posted.

Personally, I feel sorry for cwah because it seems, on the basis of his description of this incident that it wasn't his fault.

However, do we not have a duty of care to each other to point out when taking certain actions might result in unwanted repercussions?

Here's another scenario, let's see what your views are:

A man with no driving licence is driving an untaxed, uninsured car with no MOT certificate down the road. He is driving carefully and causing no outward harm to anyone. A pedestrian steps off the pavement without looking and gets hit by the car. The driver could not have possibly avoided the accident. The police arrive at the scene. Should the unlicensed driver of the untaxed and uninsured car, with no MOT certificate be exempted from any charges because the accident wasn't his fault?

 

[Jeremy]

Fishingpaul, agreed. There's some nonsense spouted here.

As an example, if I'm an uninsured motorist and smeone runs into me, does that make them any less negligent? Of course not. My illegality is irrelevant to my claim against the other driver. The exposure to prosecution only occurs if the Police become involved and exercise their right to inspect my documents.

There are thousands of bikes that do not fit the regs. How would or could the Police, should they become involved, have any idea (or know how to confirm) that Cwah's is one of them?

Sue the driver for your loss. You have nothing to fear.

As someone who has worked for insurance companies, as an expert witness, I can say with some confidence that if the claim is significant they will, beyond any doubt, employ an investigator to try and either reduce their liability or remove it altogether.

This might sound unreasonable, and to be honest I don't agree with their tactics sometimes. The commonest tactic used is the counter claim. This has a far greater chance of succeeding if they can show that a claimant has committed offences, or, as in this case, should not have been riding an unregistered motor vehicle on the road at all.

I know this seems harsh, when the accident does not seem to have been cwah's fault, but it is what may happen if a significant claim is pursued.

Far better to just keep quiet and learn from the experience, in my view.

 

[amigafan2003]

As someone who has worked for insurance companies, as an expert witness, I can say with some confidence that if the claim is significant they will, beyond any doubt, employ an investigator to try and either reduce their liability or remove it altogether.

This might sound unreasonable, and to be honest I don't agree with their tactics sometimes. The commonest tactic used is the counter claim. This has a far greater chance of succeeding if they can show that a claimant has committed offences, or, as in this case, should not have been riding an unregistered motor vehicle on the road at all.

I know this seems harsh, when the accident does not seem to have been cwah's fault, but it is what may happen if a significant claim is pursued.

Far better to just keep quiet and learn from the experience, in my view.

Having said that though - I presume the driver has not taken photo's of cwah's bike - and the witnesses are unlikely to comment on it.

If cwah were to strip all the electrical items off before starting proceedings then no one will be any the wiser and cwah would have nothing to fear from counter prosecution.

If you have an illegal ebike and you can remove it from the scene of an accident before it is inspected you're laughing.

 

[fishingpaul]

So option one scenario, you get mugged by three big lads carrying a baseball bat outside your house,do you keep quiet because they know where you live,option two you crash the slightly overpowered electric bike, the bike is no longer operable because the controller was detatched and lost at the accident, or a couple of wires came loose in the crash just what evidence would be left,i think i would fancy my chances with the bike, if we all keep quiet and learn we can all pack up cycling, the streets would be no go areas,but we would all live happily ever after on our legal e bikes.these are the sort of REAL problems facing police,not worrying about the voltage on a bike involved in a hit and run car crash.