Hub Gears

Perseus

Esteemed Pedelecer
Oct 15, 2015
396
21
72
My Nexus 8 hub geared Bosch bike gets me up here http://www.strava.com/segments/2441513

and as you'll see I take 29 seconds out of Hill climb specialist Lee, who is one of the finest hill climbers in the country.

View attachment 12803
Gradients make interesting reading. Lake District must have 30% + hairpins. I remember pedallling up a loaded tourer from Exeter to Morehampstead in torrential rain (when much younger). I did not think my brakes were good enough for cycling down. Only 6 miles on the map. I thought it would be a doddle, but a struggle.
 

trex

Esteemed Pedelecer
May 15, 2011
7,703
2,671
...

Do crank drive electric assist require a heavier frame?
no, the normal BB shell is strong enough. The crank motors tend to be a little heavier than hub motors. Most weigh in about 4kgs to 4.5kgs.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Perseus

Emo Rider

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 10, 2014
659
414
The Raleigh Motus H has a seven speed nexus hub. 400w Bosch crank drive and goes for £2,000. Nice pice of kit for the money.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Perseus

Perseus

Esteemed Pedelecer
Oct 15, 2015
396
21
72
The Raleigh Motus H has a seven speed nexus hub. 400w Bosch crank drive and goes for £2,000. Nice pice of kit for the money.
Seen this one in the Raleigh shop. Overpriced for my budget. Woosh Kreiger looks a better bet.

I have heared that 8 speed hubs are better, but this may be one make? Bicycle repair man warned me against getting the 7 speed hub and advised me to pay the little extra and get an 8-speed hub.
 

trex

Esteemed Pedelecer
May 15, 2011
7,703
2,671
the 8-speed Nexus Premium is just as good as Alfine-8, the difference is in the brakes. Only Alfine supports disc brakes. You have to have Nexus rollerbrakes with Nexus 3,7 or 8. Shimano charge OEMs a lot more for Alfine 8, that's why Chinese bikes can only have Nexus 3 or Nexus 7. If I had to have a hub gear, I'd save money and get a Nexus 7 and rear V-brakes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Perseus

anotherkiwi

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 26, 2015
7,845
5,786
The European Union
The Nexus Inter 8 has much better press than the 7. It appears to use more recent technology to have smoother, quieter changes which in turn must mean better reliability. I am just repeating what I read when looking for a hub myself.



This shows that it is more efficient in 5th and 6th gears than the Alfine 11 which costs MUCH more money to buy. It is even more efficient than the Rohloff in 5th...
 
  • Like
Reactions: trex

Tomtomato

Esteemed Pedelecer
Apr 28, 2015
388
196
I want hub gears. Are there any hub geared crank-drive ebikes?

Preferably at around £1200. I think a decent hub geared bike should be around £450 so £1200 sounds like a reasonable price?
Since your budget is limited/low, you may want to decide what your priority is.

Probably 99.9% of bikes with gears in the world have a derailleur, so if derailleurs were such a major issue, the technology and its adoption would have moved on by now.

I had a push bike with a derailleur for about 8 years, and never had an issue nor made adjustments.

I have a Kalkhoff crank-driven bike with a derailleur, and no issues either.

Maybe the bike will wear chains quicker than with a hub gear, but does not seem to be a massive issue either. I have done 1,500 with the chain so far, and not worn yet (and the motor has high torque).

I can see the value of combining a carbon belt with hub gears, to limit maintenance and possible breakdown to a minimum, but that's only a high end spec/option right now (£3,000+ bikes).
 
  • Like
Reactions: Perseus

Croxden

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 26, 2013
2,134
1,384
North Staffs
I have had more trouble with my derailleur bike in 700 miles than 7,000 miles with a hub geared bike.
 
  • Like
Reactions: flecc

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,162
30,579
Bicycle repair man warned me against getting the 7 speed hub and advised me to pay the little extra and get an 8-speed hub.
The 7 speed Shimano only has indirect gears so is overall less efficient than their 8 speed hubs which have one direct drive gear. A small difference but no rider wants their effort wasted. The 7 speed is also a little less robust.
.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Perseus

Perseus

Esteemed Pedelecer
Oct 15, 2015
396
21
72
Since your budget is limited/low, you may want to decide what your priority is.

Probably 99.9% of bikes with gears in the world have a derailleur, so if derailleurs were such a major issue, the technology and its adoption would have moved on by now.

I had a push bike with a derailleur for about 8 years, and never had an issue nor made adjustments.

I have a Kalkhoff crank-driven bike with a derailleur, and no issues either.

Maybe the bike will wear chains quicker than with a hub gear, but does not seem to be a massive issue either. I have done 1,500 with the chain so far, and not worn yet (and the motor has high torque).

I can see the value of combining a carbon belt with hub gears, to limit maintenance and possible breakdown to a minimum, but that's only a high end spec/option right now (£3,000+ bikes).
Derailleur less efficient seem to occur after about 2000 miles on pedal bikes, problems after 4000 miles. i.e. quite quickly. Not the cheapo ones when they are ****** after 1500 miles or even less. My current bike is on 2000 miles since the last big repair and I am thinking of new bike (ebike shortlisted) when the transmission needs to be replaced.

PS: hub gears just shot and the bike and gears when installed when built in 1939. Hub gears can be tricky though. They are not perfect on my more modern Pashley.

Admin note: please tone the language down
 
Last edited:

Emo Rider

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 10, 2014
659
414
Derailleur less efficient seem to occur after about 2000 miles on pedal bikes, problems after 4000 miles. i.e. quite quickly. Not the cheapo ones when they are ****** after 1500 miles or even less. My current bike is on 2000 miles since the last big repair and I am thinking of new bike (ebike shortlisted) when the transmission needs to be replaced.

PS: hub gears just ****** and the bike and gears when installed when built in 1939. Hub gears can be tricky though. They are not perfect on my more modern Pashley.
I personally like hub gears and for the rider that has no need for more gears/wider ratios they are great. While they also require less maintenance, which is another plus, the gears and chain often get ignored. When they do fail, it is a very expensive repair compared to replacing a mech. My bike has a Shimano Alivo mech managing an eight speed cassette. two and a half years old and over 7,000 miles later, it is still as good as the day I bought the bike. Having said that mechs do require a bit more maintenance and are every bit as good as hub gears if looked after.

As an aside, I am on my second chain, replaced at 3,500 miles, and have flipped the drive gear on my Panasonic motor. The cassette is original. My present chain is soon due.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Perseus

Croxden

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 26, 2013
2,134
1,384
North Staffs
I personally like hub gears and for the rider that has no need for more gears/wider ratios they are great.
It depends on which hub gear you go for, the Rohloff has a wider range than most derailuer gears.
 

Perseus

Esteemed Pedelecer
Oct 15, 2015
396
21
72
Derailleur less efficient seem to occur after about 2000 miles on pedal bikes, problems after 4000 miles. i.e. quite quickly. Not the cheapo ones when they are ****** after 1500 miles or even less. My current bike is on 2000 miles since the last big repair and I am thinking of new bike (ebike shortlisted) when the transmission needs to be replaced.

PS: hub gears just shot and the bike and gears when installed when built in 1939. Hub gears can be tricky though. They are not perfect on my more modern Pashley.

Admin note: please tone the language down
Sorry. I was just going to edit it anyway.