How about £3,000 to give up your car for an ebike?

[Deleted member 33385]

Would you do it?

Drivers will be offered £3,000 'credit' to give up cars

The credits will be used on alternative modes of transport such as bicycles and electric scooters but will also work on congestion-easing forms like public transport, car clubs and taxis.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Would you scrap your car for public transport credits?

A scheme in the Midlands is encouraging people to scrap their cars to get public transport credits.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Jayfdee]

Would you do it?

Drivers will be offered £3,000 'credit' to give up cars

The credits will be used on alternative modes of transport such as bicycles and electric scooters but will also work on congestion-easing forms like public transport, car clubs and taxis.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Would you scrap your car for public transport credits?

A scheme in the Midlands is encouraging people to scrap their cars to get public transport credits.

www.bbc.co.uk

Buy an old banger with only weeks left on MOT, and certain to fail,and trade it in for credits.

 

[Amoto65]

Buy an old banger with only weeks left on MOT, and certain to fail,and trade it in for credits.

And an attitude like this will make sure the system fails.....

 

[Deleted member 33385]

And an attitude like this will make sure the system fails.....

One could argue that (whatever the motivation) junking hundreds of thousands of old clunkers a few months before their time, significantly slows global warming, prevents children and adults from breathing harmful particulates from these heaps of junk and developing lifelong medical issues, stimulates the car industry into developing greener cars to entice the resulting new ebikers into... If millions did it, it might be worth the price; especially in view of the fact that global warming is nigh on impossible to prevent at this point without some rather massive changes which existing socioeconomic/political power structures will not be able to deliver in time. If wealth was based on how many tree leaves we owned, we might all be better off as a species living on the only naturally ocurring spaceship containing an abundance of life that we know of.

The scheme's success depends on the due diligence applied.

 

[Gringo]

Play it again Sam

New green inititive to get people out of cars and onto bikes / public transport.

A new scheme will soon start a 2 year trial at Coventry: "Drivers who GIVE UP their cars will be offered £3,000 in 'credit' to spend on public transport, electric scooters and taxis under new green plans."...

www.pedelecs.co.uk

 

[mike killay]

One could argue that (whatever the motivation) junking hundreds of thousands of old clunkers a few months before their time, significantly slows global warming, prevents children and adults from breathing harmful particulates from these heaps of junk and developing lifelong medical issues, stimulates the car industry into developing greener cars to entice the resulting new ebikers into... If millions did it, it might be worth the price; especially in view of the fact that global warming is nigh on impossible to prevent at this point without some rather massive changes which existing socioeconomic/political power structures will not be able to deliver in time. If wealth was based on how many tree leaves we owned, we might all be better off as a species living on the only naturally ocurring spaceship containing an abundance of life that we know of.

The scheme's success depends on the due diligence applied.

The problem is that I don't see any of the 'Old clunkers' that you describe about.
The MOT emissions test is quite stringent and any really old cars still about are probably quite OK.
The answer is to remove cars full stop.
Until we can generate electricity cleanly and in sufficient quantities, the ecar is not likely to become widespread.
Wind wave and solar will not do it, it has to be nuclear and you know the opposition to that.

 

[flecc]

Until we can generate electricity cleanly and in sufficient quantities, the ecar is not likely to become widespread.

Not so, this is a common mistake.

E-cars predominantly get charged overnight, using some of the huge and embarrassing surplus of electricity we have then, since we can't just switch off generation at will. Since most cars don't get used much of the time, that stored charge is then available to help the national grid to cope with daytime peaks, so having at least half our cars as e-cars is this additional big benefit, not a problem.

Denmark already do this on quite a scale, we and others are currently running trials and it is government policy to do this in future, saving at least one large nuclear power station.

This is one of the government's factors in bringing forward the e-car deadline twice so enthusiastically. We want all the e-cars we can get ASAP.

We now have almost half a million plug in cars in Britain and they are the only types rapidly growing in monthly sales. Diesel car sales have slumped by circa 65% and petrol cars by 45%. February alone saw 13% of all cars sold being plug ins and this rate is growing rapidly. Electric vans are also catching on fast with e-alternatives from all main makers of vans. Trucks too, Manchester is currently re-equipping with fully electric refuse trucks.

Your streets can look forward to a cleaner and much quieter future, quicker than you might think.
.

 

[Jayfdee]

Not so, this is a common mistake.

E-cars predominantly get charged overnight, using some of the huge and embarrassing surplus of electricity we have then, since we can't just switch off generation at will. Since most cars don't get used much of the time, that stored charge is then available to help the national grid to cope with daytime peaks, so having at least half our cars as e-cars is this additional big benefit, not a problem.

Denmark already do this on quite a scale, we and others are currently running trials and it is government policy to do this in future, saving at least one large nuclear power station.

This is one of the government's factors in bringing forward the e-car deadline twice so enthusiastically. We want all the e-cars we can get ASAP.

We now have almost half a million plug in cars in Britain and they are the only types rapidly growing in monthly sales. Diesel car sales have slumped by circa 65% and petrol cars by 45%. February alone saw 13% of all cars sold being plug ins and this rate is growing rapidly. Electric vans are also catching on fast with e-alternatives from all main makers of vans. Trucks too, Manchester is currently re-equipping with fully electric refuse trucks.

Your streets can look forward to a cleaner and much quieter future, quicker than you might think.
.

I have an EV and pay just 5p/KWh on the overnight rate. There is a huge community of EV drivers who do this, and many are installing solar panels.
Soon EV cars will be a 2 way thing, able to take from the grid when there is a surplus and able to feed back to the grid at times of high demand,obviously the car owner will get some reduced unit charge.

 

[flecc]

I have an EV and pay just 5p/KWh on the overnight rate. There is a huge community of EV drivers who do this, and many are installing solar panels.

Indeed, my Nissan Leaf running at 4 miles per kWh on a 5p per kWh tariff is the equivalent of 400 mpg with a petrol car. What's not to like of that in preference to a petrol car.

Soon EV cars will be a 2 way thing, able to take from the grid when there is a surplus and able to feed back to the grid at times of high demand,obviously the car owner will get some reduced unit charge.

In Denmark this is done through the car owners electricity bill. They charge overnight at the very low night rate and the electricity company takes it back for daytime peaks at a higher day rate, so greatly reducing their electricity bill.
.

 

[Deleted member 33385]

Until we can generate electricity cleanly and in sufficient quantities, the ecar is not likely to become widespread.
Wind wave and solar will not do it, it has to be nuclear and you know the opposition to that.

There's more than one flavour of nuke - Thorium reactors are far cleaner and can't go into meltdown:

Don't believe the spin on thorium being a greener nuclear option

Ecologist: It produces less radioactive waste and more power but it remains unproven on a commercial scale

www.theguardian.com

Thorium-based nuclear power - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

...and there is enough energy in the Earth's core to power humanity for millions of years:

The search widens for hot rocks that provide power

Geothermal power projects have seen a surge of investment as countries encourage renewable energy.

www.bbc.co.uk

Geothermal energy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Deleted member 33385]

The governments of the world are happy to pay (or invent/print new money for - those magic money trees must be punchdrunk by now) 16 Trillion to avert economic discomfort for many, and death by Covid-19 for about 1 to 2% of the population, but can't seem to find 15 Trillion to fix the atmosphere using global carbon capture, to save the other 98 or 99%:

The device that reverses CO2 emissions

Cooling the planet by filtering excess carbon dioxide out of the air on an industrial scale would require a new, massive global industry – what would it need to work?

www.bbc.com

 

[mike killay]

The governments of the world are happy to pay (or invent/print new money for - those magic money trees must be punchdrunk by now) 16 Trillion to avert economic discomfort for many, and death by Covid-19 for about 1 to 2% of the population, but can't seem to find 15 Trillion to fix the atmosphere using global carbon capture, to save the other 98 or 99%:

The device that reverses CO2 emissions

Cooling the planet by filtering excess carbon dioxide out of the air on an industrial scale would require a new, massive global industry – what would it need to work?

www.bbc.com

Let it be understood.
No governments have any money at all.
All they have is a tax base.
We are the people who own the money and the government takes it from us to pay for whatever hairbrained schemes tickle their fancy at any particular time.
If you want the government to find 15 Trillion to fix the atmosphere using global carbon capture, to save the other 98 or 99%:
Then be very prepared to pay for it.

 

[Deleted member 33385]

Let it be understood.
No governments have any money at all.
All they have is a tax base.
We are the people who own the money and the government takes it from us to pay for whatever hairbrained schemes tickle their fancy at any particular time.
If you want the government to find 15 Trillion to fix the atmosphere using global carbon capture, to save the other 98 or 99%:
Then be very prepared to pay for it.

Let it be understood: Every government in the world is going to pull out every trick contained in their magic hats to magic money into existence (money is imaginary) to reverse the damage Covid-19 has done and will do to their economies, which will include massive increases in taxation, quantitative easing to the hilt, and radical new ways of hiding losses through creative accounting, just as they do after every economic crisis. Governments don't just control tax, they control laws and state assets such as lands, seas and property, all of which can and will be leveraged to keep the value of their currencies and economies as high as possible for the next 15 years or so. It's a pity that they can't do the same to fix the atmosphere, but that depends on the people voting them in, and many of those people seem to be increasingly mistrustful of science, which is why humanity is doomed (presently).