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nicholasj

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Thank you for the add. I was looking to buy an ordinary pedal bike but my wife suggested and electric bike would be better for me. I'm well into retirement, weigh about 72kg and relatively fit but Helensburgh is on a long hill so I think an ebike would be a great idea.
But because of the hill (it's not too steep) I assume I need a more powerful motor and better battery? So no doubt costing much more money. I'm looking at sub £2k. And the battery must be detachable so I can charge it in the house. Cheers
 
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sjpt

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Woosh Big Bear will certainly do it; some of their others may do fine as well. Most ebikes should be ok with a moderate hill and 72kg rider. https://wooshbikes.co.uk/ Look at Juicy and Wisper too.

Also various Cubebikes; or Halfords Crossfuse (do NOT go for the Crossfire which retains its unreliability rating).

Big Bear comes in crossbar and low step. If you are well into retirement you may well benefit from a low step in a year or so even if you don't feel you need one now.
 
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cyclebuddy

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... weigh about 72kg and relatively fit... But because of the hill (it's not too steep) I assume I need a more powerful motor and better battery? So no doubt costing much more money. I'm looking at sub £2k...
As sjpt suggests, a sub £2k Cube or Halfords Crossfuse buys you a mid-power crank-drive ebike with a middling 400/500Wh battery...

At my un-fit heaviest, I weighed 132kg, and did (still now do, albeit somewhat lighter) a 24 mile loop from home on a hybrid-style e-bike very similar to those above... 55Nm crank-motor with a 400Wh battery. That loop includes several hills, the steepest of which is 15%, and I got home with battery power to spare. You pace yourself, and use the gears.

£1.5k - £2k is a good budget. As a fit featherweight (by comparison to unfit me), you're worrying about nothing; any middling e-bike will do.
 
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Backpeddle

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Hi
You have a reasonable budget so you should have a decent choice of bike. If your completely new to it you are better starting by going to local shops trying bikes out for size and getting test rides. This is not easy given the current crisis, another issue is that most online dealers will be cleared out of most of the bargains, what might have been had for £1500 is now probably over £2000 now.

I would use the net to see whats available during lockdown then go local to see and try the real thing. You could also try hiring a bike when that becomes possible. I did that up at Loch Katrine last year, it lets you see how a bike will perform in real conditions, some of the hills there are a real trial.

Hub drive bikes tend to be reliable and simpler, however the less powerful models will be more challenged by hills so avoid 24v motors.

Bikes with expensive crank motors tend to perform better but the electrics can be very expensive to repair if out of warranty. These are made by Bosch, Yamaha, Schimano, also mid drives used by Halfords. These drives however would have no issue with any of the hills around Helensburgh. The Bosch type is particularly good to ride and if potentially high repair costs dont worry you then these are well worth considering. These drives are absolutely not DIY and often not even reparable by the dealers leading to an expensive replacement only option.

E bikes seem to be like NASA you can have cheap, reliable and good performance pick any two, sometimes you may only get one.

Local service is a thing to think about, if you rely on dealers to service the bike, especially the electrical items this could be problematic. If your DIY then you have a lot more scope (but nut with Bosch, Shimano or Yamaha.

There are a few places you can go to which might be useful after the lockdown.
Halfords is the obvious one, however referring to the above post some of the bikes are not the best. I have not really been impressed with any of them, but I only saw what they had on display. These tended to be at the lower end of the market with a small battery and cheap components.

Cycle Republic in Glasgow, they are unfortunately in the process of being taken over, they will however be specialising in electric bikes, scooters and the like in future. They had a reasonable choice of e bikes before and did online, they also do repairs. They might be worth a look as they should have more choice

Love Bikes in Dumbarton road Glasgow, this is a specialist in e bikes, they do bikes based on the Bosch system. They are pricey but give the impression of descent customer service, you should get reasonable advice and test rides.

The Cam Glen Bike Co Op Rutherglen, they are not too well known and do not do online so there is a chance they might have reasonable stock, as they will almost certainly have shut their doors at the start of the lock down. They are a bike charity that is also a dealer for Raleigh bikes. The Raleigh e bike range has less expensive hub drive bikes up to Bosch mid drive types with integrated Batteries, from much less than your budget to much more than. They did have a reasonable choice and will give you a good test ride. They have workshop facilities as well.

Most big bike shops do e bikes to some extent so a wider search might dig up other manufacturers not covered by these

Worth considering also the Scottish Government give interest free loans on e bikes through the Carbon Trust, 4 years interest free, so your 2k bike would cost you £41.66 a month. Camglen push this a bit but you could get it on any bike you bought from any dealer. It could help you a bit if you get budget creep or just to ease the pain.
 

sjpt

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Backpeddle has lots of good points there. One problem with many local bike shops is they only allow a test ride around the car park, which is almost useless, but he knows your local shops. Probably changed with lockdown, but at least Halfords allowed a 1/2 hour test ride, and some of their stores even a day or so.

It isn't so important (still valuable) to test ride the exact bike, but it is worth trying out to get an idea of whether you prefer crank or hub motors, and cadence or torque sensors.
 
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nicholasj

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May 17, 2020
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You have a reasonable budget so you should have a decent choice of bike. If your completely new to it you are better starting by going to local shops trying bikes out for size and getting test rides. This is not easy given the current crisis, another issue is that most online dealers will be cleared out of most of the bargains, what might have been had for £1500 is now probably over £2000 now.

I would use the net to see whats available during lockdown then go local to see and try the real thing. You could also try hiring a bike when that becomes possible. I did that up at Loch Katrine last year, it lets you see how a bike will perform in real conditions, some of the hills there are a real trial.

Hub drive bikes tend to be reliable and simpler, however the less powerful models will be more challenged by hills so avoid 24v motors.

Bikes with expensive crank motors tend to perform better but the electrics can be very expensive to repair if out of warranty. These are made by Bosch, Yamaha, Schimano, also mid drives used by Halfords. These drives however would have no issue with any of the hills around Helensburgh. The Bosch type is particularly good to ride and if potentially high repair costs dont worry you then these are well worth considering. These drives are absolutely not DIY and often not even reparable by the dealers leading to an expensive replacement only option.

E bikes seem to be like NASA you can have cheap, reliable and good performance pick any two, sometimes you may only get one.

Local service is a thing to think about, if you rely on dealers to service the bike, especially the electrical items this could be problematic. If your DIY then you have a lot more scope (but nut with Bosch, Shimano or Yamaha.

There are a few places you can go to which might be useful after the lockdown.
Halfords is the obvious one, however referring to the above post some of the bikes are not the best. I have not really been impressed with any of them, but I only saw what they had on display. These tended to be at the lower end of the market with a small battery and cheap components.

Cycle Republic in Glasgow, they are unfortunately in the process of being taken over, they will however be specialising in electric bikes, scooters and the like in future. They had a reasonable choice of e bikes before and did online, they also do repairs. They might be worth a look as they should have more choice

Love Bikes in Dumbarton road Glasgow, this is a specialist in e bikes, they do bikes based on the Bosch system. They are pricey but give the impression of descent customer service, you should get reasonable advice and test rides.

The Cam Glen Bike Co Op Rutherglen, they are not too well known and do not do online so there is a chance they might have reasonable stock, as they will almost certainly have shut their doors at the start of the lock down. They are a bike charity that is also a dealer for Raleigh bikes. The Raleigh e bike range has less expensive hub drive bikes up to Bosch mid drive types with integrated Batteries, from much less than your budget to much more than. They did have a reasonable choice and will give you a good test ride. They have workshop facilities as well.

Most big bike shops do e bikes to some extent so a wider search might dig up other manufacturers not covered by these

Worth considering also the Scottish Government give interest free loans on e bikes through the Carbon Trust, 4 years interest free, so your 2k bike would cost you £41.66 a month. Camglen push this a bit but you could get it on any bike you bought from any dealer. It could help you a bit if you get budget creep or just to ease the pain.
thank you very much for all this advice....I was looking at some of the Cube bikes and they have some good bikes at £2.2k and £2.6k and yes my budget has crept already!!! us as you said, I've chosen the wrong time to get a deal! Bikes are now really popular! Also at this kind of money it would be risky to buy without a try. I read that one shop in Edinburgh do appointments and do all the hygiene stuff between appointment.
But Dumbarton ship is close so I could call them......
 

Backpeddle

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Aug 8, 2019
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Backpeddle has lots of good points there. One problem with many local bike shops is they only allow a test ride around the car park, which is almost useless, but he knows your local shops. Probably changed with lockdown, but at least Halfords allowed a 1/2 hour test ride, and some of their stores even a day or so.

It isn't so important (still valuable) to test ride the exact bike, but it is worth trying out to get an idea of whether you prefer crank or hub motors, and cadence or torque sensors.
I respectfully disagree, I think fit is the most essential thing to establish, you can rarely do that over the net. Also you need to establish if the bike has enough assistance, adequate gearing and do you even like the feel or look of of it.

Even around the car park is light years ahead of straight off the net, but in these cases with the exception of perhaps Cycle republic, they will offer more than just round the car park. Camglen and Love e bikes both have hills nearby to get a feel for the merchandise. I would never buy a bike without some sort of trial first especially not an ebike where your asked to part with 2K plus.

I also suggested a hire option, most of the hire company's also sell the bikes they hire. The location suggested might not have the bike he wanted but the terrain really shows up what you need from an e bike, its also one of the most scenic bike routes close to the central belt, a great excuse for a day out. At the moment its not accessible but as I have said I would not like to be buying a bike anywhere that can get access to the bike first.
 

Backpeddle

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thank you very much for all this advice....I was looking at some of the Cube bikes and they have some good bikes at £2.2k and £2.6k and yes my budget has crept already!!! us as you said, I've chosen the wrong time to get a deal! Bikes are now really popular! Also at this kind of money it would be risky to buy without a try. I read that one shop in Edinburgh do appointments and do all the hygiene stuff between appointment.
But Dumbarton ship is close so I could call them......
Sounds good I would try a wide selection of dealers, see if they will offer that option. I would also say try as many bikes as you can, different makes, drive systems and types. If your happy going to Edinburgh with the current restrictions try the Edinburgh Bike coop, they used to be ok with test rides haven't checked what makes they do though.
 
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