Hall wires in sparta ion hub motor

[blu joe]

I have a sparta ion 40nm rear hub motor, i need to add the hall wires to the controller, i remove the inbuilt controller from the hub and added the 3 phase wires, but i am unsure of the wiring sequence for the 5 hall wires

There are 5 small wires coming from the central axel in the hub, they are:

Red
Brown
Orange
Green
Yellow

Which wire are the 5v power wires and which are the sensor wires, how do i check?

Please see attached 2 pic of both sides of the hub motor

 

[AGS]

Does it really matter which colours you use so long as you get the right connections to the controller?

The fella in this video made a new harness, but if you want red, black, blue, yellow and green wires you can always buy a new harness, or maybe thread in some 6 core alarm cable To replace your existing sensor wiring.

 

[saneagle]

It would be a lot easier to use a sensorless controller. Did you try one?

 

[blu joe]

My controller is sensored, i need to know the colours on which is the power wires so not to blow the hall sensors

 

[blu joe]

I also have another hub motor i do not know the hall wire sequence, here in this pic

 

[thelarkbox]

I woulds start with a google search for a pinout diargam of the motor to controller connection, and connect up accordingly, you may need to trial and error the 3 signal wires for the right sequence but as long as the 5v and ground are clearly identified the only thing that should get fried is your nerves when the wrong sequence is applied in testing..

 

[blu joe]

Li

 

[blu joe]

Hall wires:
So from other information i have figured out the phase and hall sensors colours match (brown,white,grey) ,

the thick sleaved black wire is ground,

the orange wire is +5v,

and the green wire is unused, or a thermal sensor, or speed sensor, hoping its a speed sensor as my kt controller has a wire for this

 

[blu joe]

How can i translate these 5 hall wires into standard colouring? Red, brown,orange,yellow and green?

 

[Nealh]

Are the other ends connected ?

 

[saneagle]

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How can i translate these 5 hall wires into standard colouring? Red, brown,orange,yellow and green?

You have no sensors in the motor. what are you going to connect them to?

 

[blu joe]

This is this the other side, the 5 wires go into the axel, then where?

 

[Nealh]

Looks like one is missing a pcb board on one side with the Hall connections, the halls aren't radially fitted as on a std geared hub.

 

[blu joe]

Dude that is clearly a direct drive hub motor not geated

 

[saneagle]

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This is this the other side, the 5 wires go into the axel, then where?

Aren't those wires for the control panel and/or pedal sensor? Your controller was in the motor, so it doesn't need any wires going through the axle to control the motor.

Here's how I see it: The motor is a direct drive sensorlesss motor with the controller inside the motor. If you want to run it with an external controller, you should use a sensorless controller, then you only need to connect the three phase wires through the axle. A speed and/or temperature sensor would be optional.

if you want to run with sensors, you need to install the sensors first, which is a little tricky, then you should use a controller with self-learning so that it will figure out the correct timing sequence.

Theres something about how to run it with an external controller here (use Google translate). I'm not sure whether the guy had success. It's quite complicated:

Sparta ION ombouw project - Forum - Circuits Online

www.circuitsonline.net

 

[AGS]

The hall sensors are mounted on a pcb that has been removed, there are six of them. This video shows the circuit boards for the original components, about one and a half minutes in.

 

[Nealh]

Dude that is clearly a direct drive hub motor not geated

I didn't say it was geared , read that which I wrote .