Haibike's - What do you think?

[Blew it]

That dongle is an interesting bit of kit.


installation Instructions.

Installation is easy, within 15 minutes of the dongle is installed. You need a crank to the right crank to disassemble and dismantle the Spider Tool for the Spider of the rear sprocket. Warning: the chainring jammed like the seat, it can But by carefully tapping, e.g. with a rubber mallet, fast then remove them using the three Torx screws the splash guard. When you have removed the splash guard can be seen in the back the motor from the speed sensor connector. These connectors off pull out.
Now you can cut the clips that came with the dongle, clamp onto the cable from the speed sensor. Be careful that you correct the plug on the cable SDX Colors combine.

The connector with the white color for the SDX dongle you have with the red wires are connected to the speed sensor. This technique preserves the bike's original driving up to 20 km per hour. With more than 20 km / h, the speed on the speedometer is halved. then you have to multiply the display in the head by 2. Depending on the firmware version of the bike, it is now up to Reach 50km / h. Normally you a speed of 30 to 33km / h as pleasant feeling that has to do with the cadence. The advantage on SDX2 dongle, is not that the electrical support

 

[eddieo]

Blimmey...... Sounds interesting..will order spare battery now! Yipee!



Hugh, second thread I mentioned about cranks also talks about not upsetting the canbus system,,you can do this by fitting a larger crank with the wrong number of teeth. Best have a look

 

[Martin@e-bikeshop]

This is interesting,

From the pictures It just looks like the case of connecting/earthing/disconnecting 2 wires, and the headphone jack/dongle is a quick and easy way of applying the mod.

Will have to research this further. Would be nice to work out a cheaper alternative too that maybe incorporates a button instead of connecting the jack.

I just wonder how it affects the overall range.

If anyone has tested this please let me know.

Otherwise I look forward to testing this in the new year

Martin

 

[Martin@e-bikeshop]

That dongle is an interesting bit of kit.

Interestingly after a bit more research, It seems there is a small piece of electronics housed into that little headphone jack! This means it might not be as simple as 2 wires, never the less I will still be testing this, as it means the Bosch unit can be running at 50kph (off road of course!) and then switched back to normal by removing the headphone jack out of the socket. Hmmmmm

Reading from a couple of the Germans they report the range is not affected too greatly as with the added speed they are normally switching back to 'eco' mode. So the range remains similar.

Only downside seems to be that the speed readout on the oem speedo appears in accurate. Still I think its worth it! Would fit a secondary speedo anyway to see the actual speed readout.

Martin

 

[barrycoll]

shame you didn't post a bit earlier Martin...it would have saved me sending off to Austria for a KTM Machina race....for my 72nd birthday present (to myself!)

due to arrive any time now (I hope), but much like Halfer, I would have preferred a local purchase with local backup.....although Petersfield is hardly local to Nth london

 

[Martin@e-bikeshop]

shame you didn't post a bit earlier Martin...it would have saved me sending off to Austria for a KTM Machina race....for my 72nd birthday present (to myself!)

due to arrive any time now (I hope), but much like Halfer, I would have preferred a local purchase with local backup.....although Petersfield is hardly local to Nth london

Hi barrycoll,

Doh! Shame but we have only just started looking at the range.
Happy 72nd Birthday anyway!

Maybe we could help on your next purchase!
No but we are a lot more local than Austria!

We are hoping to bring the Haibike's up for people to try in London early April next year, maybe its worth popping up so you can try one anyway..

Martin

 

[Hugh]

I've ordered one of these dongles - lashed out while getting lockring etc. I'll let you know how I get on. Depending on how daunting it is, especially given German instructions, I may even need to call on your services to help install it

 

[Martin@e-bikeshop]

I've ordered one of these dongles - lashed out while getting lockring etc. I'll let you know how I get on. Depending on how daunting it is, especially given German instructions, I may even need to call on your services to help install it

Hello Hugh,

Brilliant, I have also contacted the manufacturer regarding these.
Please let me know how you get on, the installation looks really simple.

Obviously there are the installation instructions on the page of that product.
But the most useful picture regarding getting the wires round the right way; I found was in the disclaimer file - Here it is to help with your install.



Good luck Hugh, it looks easy anyway!

The real question that's bugging me is to find out what the actual difference is between the 2 different kits they offer, one for 26" wheels and 700c wheels.
I can only presume there is a difference in the signal sent from the 'headphone jack' to work with either wheels size.

Martin

 

[Blew it]

Interestingly after a bit more research, It seems there is a small piece of electronics housed into that little headphone jack

Road speed sampling is acheived by measuring the time lapse between magnet passes over the sensor. To put it simply, if the time lapse = 1 second, the dongle will halve that...some sort of transformer perhaps.

Obviously a 700c wheel will rotate slower than a 26" at the same road speed.

 

[Martin@e-bikeshop]

Road speed sampling is acheived by measuring the time lapse between magnet passes over the sensor. To put it simply, if the time lapse = 1 second, the dongle will halve that...some sort of transformer perhaps.

Obviously a 700c wheel will rotate slower than a 26" at the same road speed.

Thanks Blew it,

I will get one of these kits apart and see exactly what's in there, I will probably try and bring some or similar kits over here for users to buy in the UK.

Once I have fitted it and tested the kit, I will stick up a full 'how-to' in English on here for DIY guys.
And of course share the results on how well it performs

Martin

 

[eddieo]

guess no good for 20 inch wheel bike

 

[Hugh]

They're only advertising 26" and 27/28" wheel kits at the moment Eddie. You'll have to get a bigger camper again

 

[Blew it]

Glue a magnet to the end of the pedal shaft and re-align the sensor to it...It'll go like stink

 

[Martin@e-bikeshop]

Glue a magnet to the end of the pedal shaft and re-align the sensor to it...It'll go like stink

Haha I'm sure with a good bit on 'engineering' this could be arranged

So back on topic, the overall impression I'm getting is that the Haibike's are a good brand to bring to the UK?

But the appropriate dealer support/back-up of spares is key..

Martin

 

[eddieo]

It was/is a scene changing bike, as up until then the most competent off road e bike was the £5000 + X series Swiss Flyer (best I have ridden) There is more competition for the Haibike now but still well up there...

X series: this is a 2010 video..bike just oozes quality, they have a new 29'er version now...

»ElektroRad« 01/2010: Im Test - das Flyer X-Serie - YouTube

maybe the 29'er would suit Cakey....36 V Panasonic, 250/350 option 14 Ah battery.Tip: the Swiss buy there's in Germany as cheaper.meet a guy this summer who had bought two step throughs for £1400 each, not X but new 36 V system....

http://www.mountainbike-magazin.de/news/bikes-parts/neu-2012-flyer-erweitert-die-x-serie-um-ein-29er-pedelec.577641.2.htm

 

[GaRRy]

So back on topic, the overall impression I'm getting is that the Haibike's are a good brand to bring to the UK?

But the appropriate dealer support/back-up of spares is key..

Martin

Good back up of the dealear by Haibike is the key (or a dealer prepared to keep a silly amount of expensive parts !!!! eg frames).

 

[eddieo]

a frame break is pretty unusual

as has been demonstrated on this thread. parts can be ordered from Germany and here within a week anyway(frame a different scenario) so it would certainly not put me of buying a bike from Germany as Hugh has just done, and myself in the past...

 

[Hugh]

I've had one frame breakage in 50 years or so of cycling. It was on a Viking Conquest that I got (secondhand) as my first 'proper' bike when I was 13. The top tube cracked at the lug where it joined the headset; I took it along to my trusty LBS (one Albert Butterworth of blessed memory); he sent it off to Viking who repaired and resprayed it free

Chorus of 'Those were the days'

 

[piotrmacheta]

Looks like I'm going to have to buy one of Haibike full sus bikes now that this dongle thingy sorts out the speed issue. Brilliant stuff.
Anyone know if the Bosch unit is available on its own or ever likely to come out as a kit aka the Sunstar system?

 

[Cakey]

Thanks Eddie
Did not know Swiss did an off roader