Haibike sduro full seven life 3.0 2019 any good for the money

[Simonwwfc]

Just seen this e bike for under £2000 is this ok any advise please as looking to get first e bike , for commute to work around 3 miles each way and use at weekends for general rides with misses ,

 

[sjpt]

Probably not bad. BUT see the price of replacement Yamaha batteries, and there is a thread somewhere here of really absurd prices for Haibike/Yamaha repairs.

Haibike Battery

Hi, my Haibke Sduro Allmtn c2016 has stopped working. When I press the power on the display illuminates everything on the screen then reverts to the clock. The battery appears to be fully charged as all bars come on when you press the on button however the bike works fine when I replace the...

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For that sort of riding you can get a very capable bike for nearer £1000 from the likes of Woosh (http://wooshbikes.co.uk/), and if anything does go wrong with them they will be very much cheaper to fix.

 

[georgehenry]

I think all the big manufacturers, buy of the shelf systems like Yamaha and Bosch have customer service issues and cost issues, and systems to stop tampering that can be infuriating if you want to fix it yourself.

Having said that an ebike technician told me that the Yamaha system is significantly more reliable than the Bosch, ie they get many less issues with Yamaha Powered bikes than Bosch powered bikes, and he works in a big dealership.

Haibikes are well designed, use good components, and are durable, as you would expect from a large German company.

I bought an entry level hard tail Yamaha Haibike sDuro for £1750 that is now in its 6th year and just under 12.000 miles. I have had a few issues but been able to sort them all out, some sorted by my excellent dealer, and some myself. I am still using the original 400Wh battery and it is performing very well still.

There are some basic but important do's and don'ts for ebikes.

Do store your battery in your house/flat at about 60% when not using it.

Don't charge your battery to full and leave it too long that way without using it.

Don't spray water near any bearings and especially where the cranks connect to the engine.

https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/haibike-sduro-hardseven-sl-2015-yamaha-7-month-1600-miles.22644/page-9

 

[Amoto65]

Do store your battery in your house/flat at about 60% when not using it.

If possible store your battery in the shed/garage for safety reasons, you can always put it in an insulated box if the temperature goes way below freezing.

 

[Simonwwfc]

If possible store your battery in the shed/garage for safety reasons, you can always put it in an insulated box if the temperature goes way below freezing.

thanks decided today I’m going to get a throttle control mtb

 

[Bonzo Banana]

I think all the big manufacturers, buy of the shelf systems like Yamaha and Bosch have customer service issues and cost issues, and systems to stop tampering that can be infuriating if you want to fix it yourself.

Having said that an ebike technician told me that the Yamaha system is significantly more reliable than the Bosch, ie they get many less issues with Yamaha Powered bikes than Bosch powered bikes, and he works in a big dealership.

Haibikes are well designed, use good components, and are durable, as you would expect from a large German company.

I bought an entry level hard tail Yamaha Haibike sDuro for £1750 that is now in its 6th year and just under 12.000 miles. I have had a few issues but been able to sort them all out, some sorted by my excellent dealer, and some myself. I am still using the original 400Wh battery and it is performing very well still.

There are some basic but important do's and don'ts for ebikes.

Do store your battery in your house/flat at about 60% when not using it.

Don't charge your battery to full and leave it too long that way without using it.

Don't spray water near any bearings and especially where the cranks connect to the engine.

https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/haibike-sduro-hardseven-sl-2015-yamaha-7-month-1600-miles.22644/page-9

I'm quite impressed with your 12,000 miles, have you had any motor issues, what sort of weight are you and do you take the bike off-road much and do any light trails etc, proper rough ground. Also are you a spinner or a masher/grinder. Yamaha make the most reliable motorbikes so I guess no surprise their ebike motors are pretty good too.

I personally don't think haibike always use great components and the frames are bought in from the far east and merely assembled in Germany. The company is dutch owned I believe. The reason Haibike can do well is the huge import tariffs on Chinese ebikes. I believe the frames were made at one point by fuji-ta but that was a year or more back they could use a different manufacturer now.

 

[georgehenry]

Hi Bonzo Banana,
My entry level 2015 Yamaha hard tail Haibike was my first experience of a crank drive ebike.

I have done a long warts and all review of my ownership.

Up to half the miles have been off road and my off road route to work includes, hills, sand, water, mud, roots, rocks, and steps as well as the more mundane field boundary tracks. So there are some fun but rough and demanding parts of the route.

A return trip to work and back will be between 12 and up to 16 miles cross country to work and 10 miles back home on the road. I weigh over 100kg and, ride in a spirited manor off road and this might have had something to do in my now being on my third back wheel.

My first motor was replaced under warranty after two years and about 6,000 miles when the bearings developed play. Having never owned a crank drive bike I have now learnt that you should be very careful when washing the bike to keep water away from the bearings as I am sure it was water ingress, probably when washing the bike rather than riding it that led to the first motors worn bearings.

Having said that, there was nothing else wrong with the first motor and new bearings may well have been all it required, however my dealership just fitted a new motor free of charge and I was not going to argue.

My Yamaha motor is the first one Haibike fitted and since then Yamaha have changed/improved some of the technical specifications. I test road it against the Bosch Haibikes of 2015 but preferred the more immediate (zero cadence) power delivery of the Yamaha motor.

My motor gives very good initial torque that I find works very well off road. I tend to ride off road almost entirely in the lowest power setting eco.

On the road ride home I noticed that the power of my Yamaha motor tails away as your pedaling cadence increases. I would think of myself more of a spinner than a grinder.

When I say that I think Haibikes use good components remember that my bike is an entry level bike and cost me £1750 in 2015. I already owned a Chinese derived Oxygen rear hub road bike that had cost £1400 in 2011. The Haibike seemed quite a lot more sophisticated in comparison with hydraulic disk brakes rather than mechanical, 9 speeds rather than 7, better finished frame, and air adjustable front fork.

I also liked the normal size chain ring in comparison to the smaller ones on the Bosch motors of that time, and that the Yamaha motor appears to add no drag if you pedal it without the assistance of the motor.

I am way out of warranty now and a major failing with the electrical system that I could not fix myself might mean it would be more cost efficient to get a new bike where as the Chinese derived Oxygen can more easily and cheaply be fixed.

You pays your money and make your choice. I like both my bikes and they are both still working well but I am impressed with my Haibike as it continues to work well now entering it 6th year. My Haibike has to be tough to have endured all the off road use and year round riding inflicted on it by commuting to work and back. My own thoughts are that you do not need a crank drive for road riding but they are superb off road.

 

[Bonzo Banana]

Hi Bonzo Banana,
My entry level 2015 Yamaha hard tail Haibike was my first experience of a crank drive ebike.

I have done a long warts and all review of my ownership.

Up to half the miles have been off road and my off road route to work includes, hills, sand, water, mud, roots, rocks, and steps as well as the more mundane field boundary tracks. So there are some fun but rough and demanding parts of the route.

A return trip to work and back will be between 12 and up to 16 miles cross country to work and 10 miles back home on the road. I weigh over 100kg and, ride in a spirited manor off road and this might have had something to do in my now being on my third back wheel.

My first motor was replaced under warranty after two years and about 6,000 miles when the bearings developed play. Having never owned a crank drive bike I have now learnt that you should be very careful when washing the bike to keep water away from the bearings as I am sure it was water ingress, probably when washing the bike rather than riding it that led to the first motors worn bearings.

Having said that, there was nothing else wrong with the first motor and new bearings may well have been all it required, however my dealership just fitted a new motor free of charge and I was not going to argue.

My Yamaha motor is the first one Haibike fitted and since then Yamaha have changed/improved some of the technical specifications. I test road it against the Bosch Haibikes of 2015 but preferred the more immediate (zero cadence) power delivery of the Yamaha motor.

My motor gives very good initial torque that I find works very well off road. I tend to ride off road almost entirely in the lowest power setting eco.

On the road ride home I noticed that the power of my Yamaha motor tails away as your pedaling cadence increases. I would think of myself more of a spinner than a grinder.

When I say that I think Haibikes use good components remember that my bike is an entry level bike and cost me £1750 in 2015. I already owned a Chinese derived Oxygen rear hub road bike that had cost £1400 in 2011. The Haibike seemed quite a lot more sophisticated in comparison with hydraulic disk brakes rather than mechanical, 9 speeds rather than 7, better finished frame, and air adjustable front fork.

I also liked the normal size chain ring in comparison to the smaller ones on the Bosch motors of that time, and that the Yamaha motor appears to add no drag if you pedal it without the assistance of the motor.

I am way out of warranty now and a major failing with the electrical system that I could not fix myself might mean it would be more cost efficient to get a new bike where as the Chinese derived Oxygen can more easily and cheaply be fixed.

You pays your money and make your choice. I like both my bikes and they are both still working well but I am impressed with my Haibike as it continues to work well now entering it 6th year. My Haibike has to be tough to have endured all the off road use and year round riding inflicted on it by commuting to work and back. My own thoughts are that you do not need a crank drive for road riding but they are superb off road.

Thanks for the detailed reply, still impressed with the Yamaha motor from what you have said although being a spinner you give it a slightly easier time. To be honest I've always found Japanese engineering a lot better than German, well in recent years anyway, I used to have a lovely mk1 Golf. When you look at the reliability index Japanese brands dominate.

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I've heard good things about Shimano motors too atlhough in performance terms I feel like Bosch maybe better looking at reviews but for reliability and support I've heard better stories about Shimano. Many of the horror stories I'd read in forums about ebikes were Haibikes but not Yamaha motors they would be Bosch normally. Sometimes it seemed like those bikes were spending more time waiting to be repaired than actually rode and many faced huge bills out of warranty which I'm not keen on to say the least.

 

[georgehenry]

I have nothing against German engineering and it can be fabulous but I think they are very clever in the way they market their products and suggest a level of reliability and robustness that is in fact no different and sometimes not as good as others.

Although pretty impartial and very good to deal with the dealership where I bought my bike did very gently steer me towards an equivalent Bosch powered bike. The difference in price between my Yamaha powered entry level Haibike and the Bosch one was close to £500 at the time I bought.

Although I was in a way taking a chance on the Yamaha system as it was a new untested one at that time in 2015 in the UK, I had owned Yamaha motorcycles and was sure that it would be well engineered and this has been born out by my ownership.

If I was in the market for a crank drive bike now there is more choice to be had both in bikes and motor systems.