What made you think the legislation doesn't already apply to cycles?!
A 20mph limit is for any vehicle, not just motorised ones.
Enforcement is a different matter of course. There are better thing to enforce, IMHO.
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A 20mph limit is for any vehicle, not just motorised ones.
Enforcement is a different matter of course. There are better thing to enforce, IMHO.
Not all vehicles require speedometers https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/35/made
20mph speed limits like all other speed limits do not apply to bicycles (which include pedelecs)
20mph speed limits like all other speed limits do not apply to bicycles (which include pedelecs)
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Look in the Highway code that lists the speed limits by type of 'Vehicle', no mention of cycles.
Try a Google search on 'UK do speed limits apply to cycles'
Does The Speed Limit Apply To Cyclists? | Slater + Gordon
Are British cyclists legally obliged to adhere to the same speed limit regulations as motorists or are they exempt? Find out what are specialist solicitors say.
www.slatergordon.co.uk
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Radio 2 host Jeremy Vine was caught 'speeding' while cycling at 16mph on a cycle path that imposes a limit of 5mph.
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Yes because currently there is no requirement to have a speedometer and therefore there is no reasonable way for cyclists to know their speed accurately. However it would surely be a legal requirement to have a speedometer if a speed limit applied to bicycles otherwise the law would be unreasonable and unfair.
I think the fastest I've ridden is about 38mph down a steep hill. That peak speed only lasted a few seconds. Freewheeling down hills is pretty much the only time I'm going to beat 20mph. It's one of the simple pleasures of riding a bicycle and don't see why it should be taken away.
I dont see that follows at all, just leave it to the cyclist to judge when they are travelling at 20mph+ or 30mph+.
A few years ago I had a Transit van with an intermittant fault on the speedo. The day I took it for mot it stopped working on the way there. However, the van passed as the speedo is not an item that needs to be checked for mot. Of course I could still get done for speeding.
So, it seems to me, that speed limits can and are applied to vehicles that have no need to have a working speedo.
The issue still is the identification of bikes and riders who are found exceeding said limit. Any plate would be much smaller than a standard vehicle plate. (Are we really going to see the wigins' and Fromes of this world riding around with a full size plate on the back?). So even if the plate is readable by camera or human at distance, who is the rider?
12 year old Johnny gets stopped for speeding. "Is this your bike sonny, can I see your insurance?" Really?
There are so many holes in this whole thing. So many changes that need to be put into place, I can't see it happening. If only 'cause it will kill cycling at the very time it is starting to grow as a utility activity.
So, it seems to me, that speed limits can and are applied to vehicles that have no need to have a working speedo.
The issue still is the identification of bikes and riders who are found exceeding said limit. Any plate would be much smaller than a standard vehicle plate. (Are we really going to see the wigins' and Fromes of this world riding around with a full size plate on the back?). So even if the plate is readable by camera or human at distance, who is the rider?
12 year old Johnny gets stopped for speeding. "Is this your bike sonny, can I see your insurance?" Really?
There are so many holes in this whole thing. So many changes that need to be put into place, I can't see it happening. If only 'cause it will kill cycling at the very time it is starting to grow as a utility activity.
But if they had noticed it not working, it would have been a fail. And, if the design was such that the speedo were in its own housing, illumination of the speedo needs to work. There is no need for a road test therefore easy to not see a failed speedo. Especially those which have the needle slightly higher than zero - and might not move as it is driven from outside into the testing bay.
I believe working speedo is required in the majority of vehicles.
And for identification plates, on cycles, there would be the issue of enforcement.
There are a great many 'illegal' number plates out there on vehicles, and I have seen the same 'illegal' ones round by me for years, so enforcement of the current regulations seems to be zero.
There are a great many 'illegal' number plates out there on vehicles, and I have seen the same 'illegal' ones round by me for years, so enforcement of the current regulations seems to be zero.
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Assuming MoT stations are checking plates, the owners must be switching plates before and after MoT, every year. Which pretty much proves such plates are premeditated acts. (Allowing that someone buying a secondhand car could inadvertently have illegal plates.)
It's not the worst offence in the world, but it feels unpleasant that some out there are doing this and getting away with it - for years. If it matters enough to be a requirement, it needs to be enforced.
No new law would be needed, just a minor adjustment. Bicycles are only exempt from the speed limit because the Road Traffic Acts don't in general apply to them. But there is one exception, the 14 years lower age limit for riding a pedelec (which is a bicycle in law) isn't in EAPC law, it was included in the 1988 Road Traffic Act. So just a similar minor tweak of current RTA speed limit rules could bring bicycles into that law.
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According the local garage, where I have my cars MOT done, they can temporarily fit a legal plate over the illegal one. Nothing the garage can do about it apparently.
Apart from altering the letter spacing to achieve some fancy perceived affect, the most common abuse that I see, is where taxis, motorhomes etc, use the square plates that have small lettering, sometimes very small indeed.
Maybe this is done to make it harder for the ANPR and thus avoid speeding fines ?
Not so, there are other precedents of speed limits where speedometers are not required to be fitted, including for bicycles in some instances.
The principles behind regulations are bendable and the Civil Service and Parliament happily bend them when convenient. I've just given such an example in my previous post.
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Yes, we always used to have full size number plates after fitting any assist motor to a bike. It was the law and strictly adhered to:
That use to be before epac's became commercially viable and the 2 stroke motors turned push bike into 30ph mopeds. In a sense probably a trick that was missed at the start with epac's which now is being resisted by most users and the cycling industry as whole in to any benefits that ae to be gained, more so likely the harm it may do to sales and encourging up take of cycling.
How many 14 year olds have people seen on pedelecs. I can say I`v not seen any. I suspect its not a well known issue otherwise some of them I see on scooters would surely if they knew they could would be on pedelecs.
I've seen many, but only because the estate kids cadged rides on mine.
But cost is a big barrier for Pedelecs. "Pavement" e-scooters can be bought from £300 new and under £700 buys something high end.
Pedelec prices are a whole different order of course, generally over four times those amounts.
The silly 14 year old minimum doesn't help, we are the only country in Europe with it, much younger children ride pedelecs in The Netherlands:
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