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Ian

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Apr 1, 2007
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The whole helmet issue is not one on which I have strong opinions either way, sometimes I wear one, sometimes i don't. However, that is not to say I don't have a view on the compulsion issue to which I am strongly opposed.

I do however believe helmets can do more good than harm, a 40mm thick lump of polystyrene foam will crush and absorb considerable energy that may otherwise be absorbed by the skull in the event of a blow to the head, maybe only in certain circumstances and maybe only at low speed but I would rather be wearing one if I hit my head.

I don't think anyone can seriously argue that the weight presents a whiplash hazard, my fairly cheap helmet weighs under 200g, only 50g more than my non-protective waxed cotton hat. Even my ordinary woolly hat weighs 100g!

Likewise I don't think there is a serious argument that the helmet could catch things in the event of a slide, if it did, in many cases chunks of the helmet would simply break away. Cycle helmets are very weak other than in compression, it's very easy to rip one to pieces with ones fingers.

There is also the question of why professional racers wear helmets, they don't normally carry anything that serves no purpose and would jump at the chance to save a couple of hundred grams, some of it may be aerodynamics and some of it may be a place to stick the sponsors name, but surely that could be achieved with just the outer shell at a fraction of the weight.

Finally there is the fact that a helmet can help keep ones head warm, which is my main reason for wearing one in winter, and the reason I don't usually wear one in summer.

I'm certainly not advocating that people should wear helmets, merely stating that I feel that some of the arguments against are a bit flimsy. To me the fact that a helmet may be uncomfortable or may otherwise detract from the pleasure of cycling is a perfectly good reason for not wearing one.
 
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frank9755

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May 19, 2007
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I think we did the helmet debate a few weeks ago so and don't want to repeat it all, but I see it as being very simple.

I see the world dividing into four categories:
1. People who don't wear helmets and don't want anyone else to.
2. People who don't wear helmets and don't have a problem if others do or not
3. People who do wear helmets and don't have a problem if others do or not
4. People who do wear helmets and want to make everyone else either do so or not ride a bike.

I'm in category 2.
Ian (above) is sometimes in category 2 and other times in 3.
I completely respect the views and actions of those in 2 and in 3.
I've never come across anyone in category 1.
A small minority appear to be in category 4, and I have a problem with them.

That's about all there is to it!

Frank
 

JohnInStockie

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Nov 10, 2006
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I agree with your sentiments Frank, but I think there are more in category 1 on this issue than you believe.

I see myself as category 3.

John
 

flecc

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Oct 25, 2006
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Do you really think so John?

I think most of those who argue against helmet wearing are arguing the principles of 1) whether they protect, and 2) whether it's a subject for the law.

I believe they virtually all fall into category 2 where I am, but like me, just get mad at the suggestion that helmet wearing should be enforced by the zealots.

I'm sure nearly all don't care what others wear, just so long as they wear something. :eek:
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JohnInStockie

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Nov 10, 2006
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Well it does seem so Flecc. There are some people that are very passionate about the supposed added benefits of wearing a helmet for safety and/or other purposes to the point of being bias.

I think once someone has bias, then I think its less likely that tolerance is one of their virtues. My own personal opinion only of course.

John
 

flecc

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That's true John, my bias here is probably due to my belief in each to their own. Others no more want to be dictated to than me, so I err on the side of freedom.
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jac

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Aug 1, 2007
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one thing people should be dictated to is bike lights the number of clowns who ride around on dark wet nights with no lights is madness i feel sorry for drivers trying to avoid them and i am non driver with no axe to grind
 

alex

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Sep 15, 2007
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Edinburgh
impact protection & insulation

Brrr it is freezing out there tonight. My bald bonce really benefitted from the insulation value of the polystyrene helmet lining coming home. Having lost the sight in one eye after a jigsaw fell on my bare head on a building site I can vouch for the value of any protection from impact head injuries. Lots of lights are a 'must' on these dark nights, high vis. jacket also, & my 'piece de la resistance' refective armbands from Lidl (or was it Aldi ?) with flashing red lights.
 

flecc

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Lots of lights are a 'must' on these dark nights, high vis. jacket also, & my 'piece de la resistance' refective armbands from Lidl (or was it Aldi ?) with flashing red lights.
Well it is nearly Christmas! :D

Saves buying a tree. :)
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flecc

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I don't mind standing in the corner with a fairy on my head if it adds to the festive spirit but surely it is too early. Perhaps mid-December?:confused:
Down here mid-December is when the January sales seem to start. :(
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Brangdon

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Aug 31, 2007
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Nottingham, UK
I don't know anyone who isn't category 2 or 3. However, a lot of people seem very sure they help, and a lot seem very sure they don't, so both groups can come across as 1 or 4. Saying, "It is foolish not to wear a helmet" comes across as 4 even if you believe people have a right to be foolish.

I'm a bit dubious about the arguments either way. I too would be interested in the answer to rooel's question, but it doesn't look like subevo has visited the site recently.