Miss quoting the guys name (repeatedly) does nothing to convince me otherwise.
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Failed on my first big hill
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In d8veh's defence, it was me who called you ignorant. In my opinion, that label has only since been reinforced.
What I find absolutely astonishing is that I come on here in good faith,in that I,m neither promoting or selling anything, insult no one,put nobody down , accept and post that yes hub drives have their place and obviously suit many happy riders but offer practical help to OP ( loan of my bike), offer to meet up at similar hill to try and objectively work out issues bloke is facing and along way dare to suggest for reasons outlined that perhaps he,d be better suited with a CD unit . Only criticism I have offered has been to Amp bikes and supplying shop for not helping..Result..I,m trolling, I,m ignorant. I don't listen. I don't understand. Shut up. Offer of races to prove superiority of hub and not a word from anyone...
Then I mis spell some posters name, yes deliberately and some body is all hurt.
This place is insular. It needs new members.
I,ll stop posting.
OP good luck.
Then I mis spell some posters name, yes deliberately and some body is all hurt.
This place is insular. It needs new members.
I,ll stop posting.
OP good luck.
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Flud, those that know me will tell you that I talk straight - no beating about the bush. I'm an engineer, not a politician. If you talk crap, I'll tell you so. If you don't like it, start listening to what people tell you and stop talking (writing) crap. Simples!
When OP said he couldn't get up the hill, I told him that it would be better once his fitness had improved. I didn't tell him to get fit. Whether the bike is suitable for him has not yet been determined, though my guess is that he,ll love it once he figures out how to get the best out of it and his fitness improves, which nearly always happens when people start riding. Boasting about your bike doesn't help him unless maybe you want to help him out by offering a swap. Only then will we know whether your bike is better for him.
When OP said he couldn't get up the hill, I told him that it would be better once his fitness had improved. I didn't tell him to get fit. Whether the bike is suitable for him has not yet been determined, though my guess is that he,ll love it once he figures out how to get the best out of it and his fitness improves, which nearly always happens when people start riding. Boasting about your bike doesn't help him unless maybe you want to help him out by offering a swap. Only then will we know whether your bike is better for him.
Unfortunately my honest answer might not suit you Flud, my experiences with both in my hilly area have biased me to hub motors.
If advising before he bought I'd have recommended Kevin try both types to see what suited him best.
However, as I advised him long ago in this thread, stick with what he has since he will very quickly get cycling fit and as he's said, it was only one hill that caused his problem, and that after a first ride of 40 miles. That hardly speaks of complete unsuitability.
Meanwhile he can continue to enjoy riding by simply avoiding that one hill at first. Since he's capable of 40 mile rides he will soon gain more than enough fitness to aid his motor into it's best operating region on that hill. Then he may even wonder what he found so difficult at the outset.
Although my experience of powered bicycles goes back 65 years, I only bought one for myself 12 years ago and that was a CD. As you've learnt, that wasn't ideal and three years later I bought first one, then two hub motor bikes. After overlapping them for a couple of years I sold the CD since one of my hub motor bikes could more easily do the hill climbing and heavy load trailer pulling, something I appreciated in my seventies.
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Interesting, where's that then? and does it have a Strava segment?
and Whilst Winnats is a short climb compared to Alp d'Heuz it is actually steeper https://www.strava.com/segments/661401
Last Year when I was building my first ebike I chose a hub motor for two reasons price and ease of conversion, ( I also had a nagging doubt that my fitness to ride would let me down) so having done so,I needed to get fit after 4 or 5 Years out of the saddle, this was absolutely crucial to my ebike development. I got fitter and fitter and then I bought a Bosch Crank drive, to be honest I like them both, I don't know and don't really care which one is perceived to be the best, this forum is absolutely the right place to go for advice, but it is not always the right place to go for friendly advice........
"just saying"
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Besides it would prove nothing. Blatantly neither of us are unhappy with with our bikes...Eddie couldn't find his boxing gloves..
Flecc
Thanks for reply. Seems you are somewhat more capable of expressing opinions without insulting those of others, a rare quality in this thread. Fair enough if that's what you think. I,ll try some more hub drives.
dve8
Talking straight has nothing to do with telling folk they are either not listening or talking nonsense,or whatever your claim was. Your tone throughout has been one of utter superior knowledge with absolutely no idea of my background / experience on top of which resorting to insults.
You can post all research in world , I will simply not accept a 250w hub motor can get same torque to backwheel as a CD unit on extremely steep slopes for equal current draw.( unless hub has equally low geared ratio , which is highly unlikely, with CD in lowest gear. As an engineer you would ( or should) understand that simple standpoint. In engineering terms that's about all I,m claiming. ( In lowest gear my haibike is at most doing 3 mph with a cadence of 60, which equates to cut off point in top.The motor is very very low geared. ( I,d estimate 1000 rpm per 1kmh in lowest gear) Even a two speed hub will be at least double that in lowest ratio, meaning for equal motor torque/ current draw the CD bike will have double the torque at back wheel but be spinning half as quickly)
That does not mean the CD mtb is best climber, it means for a new rider, unfit rider,tired rider a CD ( in mtb guise) has a crawler gear for both rider AND MOTOR. I don't understand why that " truth" is so insulting to you.??
Everything else I,ve said has been in support of OP...
You seem insistent on misinterpreting my posts..my English isn't brilliant so please read my gearing claim carefully before responding..( I,m not sayin g you cant read either)
I don't think saying my bike has very low gearing for rider and motor is boasting about it. ;!??
But obviously either my standpoint or attitude is upsetting quite a few..so I will butt out.
It was Eddie..Neither of us could agree on the others venue or endurance/ race distance..but OT.
Besides it would prove nothing. Blatantly neither of us are unhappy with with our bikes...Eddie couldn't find his boxing gloves..
Flecc
Thanks for reply. Seems you are somewhat more capable of expressing opinions without insulting those of others, a rare quality in this thread. Fair enough if that's what you think. I,ll try some more hub drives.
dve8
Talking straight has nothing to do with telling folk they are either not listening or talking nonsense,or whatever your claim was. Your tone throughout has been one of utter superior knowledge with absolutely no idea of my background / experience on top of which resorting to insults.
You can post all research in world , I will simply not accept a 250w hub motor can get same torque to backwheel as a CD unit on extremely steep slopes for equal current draw.( unless hub has equally low geared ratio , which is highly unlikely, with CD in lowest gear. As an engineer you would ( or should) understand that simple standpoint. In engineering terms that's about all I,m claiming. ( In lowest gear my haibike is at most doing 3 mph with a cadence of 60, which equates to cut off point in top.The motor is very very low geared. ( I,d estimate 1000 rpm per 1kmh in lowest gear) Even a two speed hub will be at least double that in lowest ratio, meaning for equal motor torque/ current draw the CD bike will have double the torque at back wheel but be spinning half as quickly)
That does not mean the CD mtb is best climber, it means for a new rider, unfit rider,tired rider a CD ( in mtb guise) has a crawler gear for both rider AND MOTOR. I don't understand why that " truth" is so insulting to you.??
Everything else I,ve said has been in support of OP...
You seem insistent on misinterpreting my posts..my English isn't brilliant so please read my gearing claim carefully before responding..( I,m not sayin g you cant read either)
I don't think saying my bike has very low gearing for rider and motor is boasting about it. ;!??
But obviously either my standpoint or attitude is upsetting quite a few..so I will butt out.
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try some, try 'em again, sleep on it, buy one, live with it............ enjoy
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On reflection quite an incisive comment when asking about "Strava Segments!"
No we had roast potatoes and tuna mayo..asked for Strava..he said " feck off"..
On reflection quite an incisive comment when asking about "Strava Segments!"
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It seems Strava means Food in Slovak or Diet in Czech.
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Apparently Raw Food is surové potraviny in Slovak.
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Probably why we ate a few strange things touring Europe a few years back...
Which one ???
Strava is a word we seemed to hear a great deal in Easter Europe, thought it meant raw food but as it means food its hardly surprising !!!
It may well have meant raw food in the context being used. In all languages word combinations are used by the native speakers in odd or slang fashion to give variations of meaning.
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