eZee e-Rex Fatboy Prototype

EddiePJ

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The frame geometry on the bike as shown just looks so wrong. The head angle also doesn't quite look slack enough, and the stem angle also just doesn't work. Marks out ten.. Being blunt, zero I'm afraid.

I hated fat bikes when they first arrived on the scene, but they have slowly grown on me. The one above just doesn't cut it, and is simply ugly.
 
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JamesW

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The frame geometry on the bike as shown just looks so wrong. The head angle also doesn't quite look slack enough, and the stem angle also just doesn't work.
I was waiting for one of the serious bike gurus to comment! Looks like you have picked up a very real flaw. :eek:
I can see it now you mention it too. Experience is showing with those few simple sentences!
 

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Just spotted something even worse about it.

It's constructed from box section steel. What's that all about?

It now reminds me of something that a secondary school student, might cobble together in a metal work class. Afraid that the marks out of ten, have now gone straight into the minus category.

This one bike not to be selling.
 

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Steady on, is the geometry so different from this fat bike, which is a KTM, so must be perfect.
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Steady on, is the geometry so different from this fat bike, which is a KTM, so must be perfect.
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Why must it be perfect?

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It seems to me the geometry of the CycleEze bike is fairly standard for a fat bike.

The head angle may not be as slack as some, but if they've decided to build a sharper handling fat bike, that's all there is to it, the bike is not fatally flawed.
 
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As an impartial observer (i.e. not Eddie so not KTM/eMTB obsessed:p and not Rob or Ezee)

For those above cretin level, it seems to me the geometry of the CycleEze bike is fairly standard for a fat bike.
I would point out that the KTM has a straight line from rear wheel through the seatpost to the handlebars - meaning that the bike is made of 1 large triangle which is split into 2 smaller ones, the eRex appears to be 2 triangles attached together using a common side, but does not retain this larger frame triangle. more of a larger quadrilateral.
As a Mech Eng I would expect the triangle design to distribute forces slightly better than the quadrilateral and probably last longer as a result!

I would also expect the slightly more tilted angle of the front forks relative to the frame to give a marginal performance increase from a suspension perspective!

That said, I do think that Ezee should be applauded for looking at this and designing their own bike.

The cheapest fat bike I have seen so far is this:
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2786157.htm?CMPID=GS001&_$ja=cgid:18091976845|tsid:59156|cid:189949525|lid:101861243605|nw:g|crid:59951568445|rnd:17495886901428793680|dvc:c|adp:1o1|bku:1
(£300 in Argos at the moment- a good candidate for conversion if you wanted a cheap fat ebike!)
 

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As an impartial observer (i.e. not Eddie so not KTM/eMTB obsessed:p and not Rob or Ezee)



I would point out that the KTM has a straight line from rear wheel through the seatpost to the handlebars - meaning that the bike is made of 1 large triangle which is split into 2 smaller ones, the eRex appears to be 2 triangles attached together using a common side, but does not retain this larger frame triangle. more of a larger quadrilateral.
As a Mech Eng I would expect the triangle design to distribute forces slightly better than the quadrilateral and probably last longer as a result!

I would also expect the slightly more tilted angle of the front forks relative to the frame to give a marginal performance increase from a suspension perspective!

That said, I do think that Ezee should be applauded for looking at this and designing their own bike.

The cheapest fat bike I have seen so far is this:
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/2786157.htm?CMPID=GS001&_$ja=cgid:18091976845|tsid:59156|cid:189949525|lid:101861243605|nw:g|crid:59951568445|rnd:17495886901428793680|dvc:c|adp:1o1|bku:1
(£300 in Argos at the moment- a good candidate for conversion if you wanted a cheap fat ebike!)
Ezee bikes are famously sturdy and almost make a virtue out of being ugly.

I'm no frame designer, but I appreciate single degrees and millimetres matter, so it's impossible to tell how a bike rides from a pic.
 

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Ezee bikes are famously sturdy and almost make a virtue out of being ugly.

I'm no frame designer, but I appreciate single degrees and millimetres matter, so it's impossible to tell how a bike rides from a pic.

You don't find it odd that both the cheap Argos and the expensive KTM frames got for the Triangle shape with a fat bike but eZee haven't gone there yet with this and are still at a quadrilateral shape though for their design? (from the angles we can see.)
 
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Thank you for your comments guys, positive and negative.

The key word in the title of this thread is prototype and the pictures show a mock up not a production model, the careful observer will have noticed the electric aren't connected.

For those who are concerned about the durability of eZee bikes, below is a 9 year old prototype of the Torq Mk1 which is owned by David Henshaw, editor of AtoB magazine, this bike is still in regular use and has taken everything thrown at it.
eZee Torq Mk1 prototype​
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and the owner riding it 3 weeks ago
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JamesW

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John,

following EddieP's comments I was more concerned about the how the frame shape affected durability as you have to remember that a fat bike could be expected to experience more off road riding than a normal (hybrid) one and therefore you should take this into account when considering the extra stresses that will be generated. (esp. if you get a fat biker on a fat bike:p)

I'm sure that this will be a success when you bring it to market whatever any individual thinks. There will always be someone who wants a fat e-bike and the only one I've seen so far is the KTM freeze which I'm sure would require me re-mortgaging!;)

FWIW - I think KTMs are overpowered and overpriced, that doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, it just means my opinion on that subject is different from EddieP's which will be different from Rob's and also from yours! (I'm sure you'd like them to be more expensive so you could charge more or had less competition from them where your ranges near)

James
 
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Hi James,

I think you are missing the intention of this thread, I am not trying to promote or sell this model, I couldn't if I wanted to as it is not in production.
All I wanted was some opinions which have been forthcoming.;)
 

JamesW

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Hi John,

I didn't think I had. I was just trying to point out that what might be a negative to one may be a positive to another for different reasons, that not everyone thinks the same way, everyone reaches their conclusions for different reasons and was trying to provide/generate some more feedback at the same
time! ( I like a good natured argument, you can learn a lot from debate!)

;)

James

(Sorry if it has come across differently)
 
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Here are some thoughts from Wai Won Ching owner of eZeebikes, in response to some of the comments in this thread.

A few years ago I had a desire to build an electric Fat Bike, but when discussed with Justin Lemire-Elmore, owner of Grin Cyclery, AKA ebikes.ca, he didn't think there was a market for it and that the Surly version was just a passing fad.

Then suddenly there was huge interest all around the world, not just in the USA. This year almost every bike stand in all the shows I have visited had one.

eZee is late to come up with a Fat Bike, but I would rather be late than make mistakes.

As to the design and geometry, I have been studying it for a long time and taken notes of a lot of bikes at the shows, frames, gears, tyres, components, etc., and met with many suppliers discussing what they could provide. Obviously I have looked at all the electrical systems that were on show as well.
After much consideration I have decided on the parameters that would be best, and being a e-bike designer, manufacturer and business for 14 years, I know what I am getting at. Nothing is perfect of course, but what I designed has been given the utmost consideration after consulting with a lot of other experts.

Some major points.

a) The frame. It is made from CrMo 4130 steel. The tubes are butted to save weight, and after discussion we decided on straight heavy duty tubes to get maximum structural integrity. One of the comments is correct, from my experience, my policy is always "robustness before aesthetics, simplicity is elegance"

b) Common mistakes. A lot of Fat e-bikes has just retro-fitted electrical system on it without much considerations. e.g. standard push-bike style Fat bikes have very small chain wheels with 36T or less because they need more torque to ride. Therefore the electrical versions have also 36T chain wheel, and some cheaper versions have standard entry level sprockets with the lowest 14 T, at 25 kmph, they would need very high cadence, and the feet would be spinning very fast, or they have triple chain wheel which to cost and complexity.
Our standard is a 48T single chain wheel and 11 T sprocket that makes a very comfortable cadence at 25 to 32 kph.
Such a change would involve changes to the chain stay, not just a matter of switching the chain wheel from one to the other.

c) Quality components. There is a lot of things to be written here. But I will just keep it very short here. Just a matter of the tyres, inner tubes, rim tape and rims.
I have checked out more than 20 different suppliers, the product specs and what is really best for the consumer, and the fit between all these 4 items.
On the e-REX , the rim from Weinmann Rigida is double wall. I have seen a lot of ridiculous single wall rims with lots of holes punched on it to save some weight.
But no, I decided on a heavy double wall rim, and Weinmann Rigida agreed with me whole heartedly, that is why they made such a rim in the first place.
The tyres are Speedster 3.5" width from Vee Rubber made in Thailand, specially formulated and constructed. I did not choose the easy to get tyres manufacturers in China or even Schwalbe the supplier for all the other tyres we use, I could have just ordered and shipped in the same container. There are good reasons, but only in consideration for a superior product. Not for convenience or price.

d) The Cube SUV Hybrid Pro is not a fat bike, it used the Schwalbe Big Ben tyres 2.15" or 2.35", we have these choices on our Expedir , including Schwalbe Big Apple and the Marathon Plus 2.0" which in my opinion is the best balance for comfort and durability.

There is a lot more to be said, but I think I have said enough here, that eZee is a dedicated professional e-bike manufacturer, that has the customer interest at heart, makes a superior product with great value for money.
 

JamesW

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Nice, well argued logical response. Like it. Just waiting to see prices/ final product. ( although as I have a 20mile each way commute, I would be looking for a range of about 80 miles before I tried to justify one of those as an all weather all year commuting bike - need to account for bags, battery aging and finally worse performance in snow which is why the 80m figure!)
 

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I have no idea whom the fat bikes would suit but would not have thought that they make good commuting bikes.
It's kind of a step backward on handling, comfort, energy efficiency, carrying ability for the sake of looking different. What are these big tyres for? sandy beaches?
 
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I have no idea whom the fat bikes would suit but would not have thought that they make good commuting bikes.
It's kind of a step backward on handling, comfort, energy efficiency, carrying ability for the sake of looking different. What are these big tyres for? sandy beaches?
There was a Finn on the forums a few weeks ago who had order a KTM Freeze fat bike to ensure that he could continue to commute to work by bike when it snowed (sadly he seems to be having to wait until Jan for delivery, so it should already be very snowy by the time it arrives). Personally I like the idea as snow tends to bring everything to a standstill but being able to get out and about on a bike relatively safely would be great. If the wheels on a fat bike could be swapped over for thinner rims when you don't want a fat bike, you have (In my opinion) the PERFECT commuting bike since as soon as it snows you just swap the wheels over and all the other time you ride with normal wheels (and a suspension seatpost!)

Commuting cross country over the moors or taking shortcuts over beaches could also be a good use!

(I saw an article once of a guy who cut his commute from over 2hrs down to 40mins by kite surfing across and estuary carrying his stuff in a drybag! - so it may be time to think out of the box!)