Electric Bike Security

[Mussels]

Very interesting .... anyone know more?

I've seen a lot of research into this to protect motorcycles, anything under 16mm is croppable but a 16mm chain weighs a hell of a lot. It's a trade off, how much weight do you want to carry? My bike is left in the centre of London every day so I have purchased the Kryptonite New Yorker 18mm D lock, it weighs 3Kg but is worth it as I can leave it places with fair confidence.
Anything with a round type key is almost useless, it's common knowledge how to break into those in a few seconds.
Chains and D locks require different tools to break without one being the perfect solution, you need to know how to use each one for them to be of value.

 

[Beeping-Sleauty]

Axa

The AXA Basta Defender ring lock looks like a good solution for nipping quickly into shops.

Does anyone know if one of these would fit onto a Wisper 905SE? Would I need the additional mounting bracket?

Regards,

Elephants

i use one of these:

AXA-BASTA Click Booster : £24.00 : ACCESSORIES : Locks - Shackle Locks - Bicycle Workshop. Londons bike repair specialist

they fit the existing brake mounts, mine is on the front wheel, ideal for those quick stops where you can keep an eye on your machine and added deterent when used in conjunction with other locks.

 

[Mussels]

Hope this is of some use

Streetfilms » Hal (and Kerri) Grade Your Bike Locking

The screen grab attached shows a bike graded A, they reckon it's well secured.
Picture that long chain being lifted over the handlebars and dropped down in front of the bike, the bike will have to go back as the tree can't be moved. Now the front wheel is chained to the tree and the rest of the frame isn't. Undo the quick release wheel and pick up the rest of the bike to carry off.
These two shouldn't be so patronising as they go round commenting on others security knowledge.

 

[Saddlesore]

I must admit I'm totally paranoid about leaving my bike especially with ezee batteries at £400 and although I've insured the bike for full value I'm also paranoid about Insurance Companies finding a loophole that gets them out of settling a claim!!
It may seem extreme but I use a D lock ( Gold Sold Secure as specified by my Insurance Co.) and a thick PVC coated cable that will feed through the saddle and wheels (esp the front one with the motor) and whenever possible I remove the battery and stagger about town with it in a rucksack as I have no faith at all in the battery lock fitted - Am I sad or what!!
One of our local railway stations has bike boxes so you can lock them away if you commute to work (as I do) - trouble is people tend to treat them as their own personal box and leave the lock on the door all the time so no-one else can use them.
I suppose I'd only be really happy if I could either attach the bike to the mains thereby inducing a fatal shock to anyone who touched the bike or get a folder so I could carry it about with me - now that really is sad!

 

[Mussels]

It may seem extreme but I use a D lock ( Gold Sold Secure as specified by my Insurance Co.)

It may be a very good lock but nobody should rely on a Sold Secure or Thatcham rating, it's been pretty much proven that they give the top rating to locks that can be broken easily. Trading standards recently threw out a complaint about Sold Secure's 20 minute attack times because it's impossible to prove that they can't break a lock in 20 minutes, doesn't matter that somebody else with the same tools can break the lock in 2 minutes.
To avoid croppers chains or D locks must be 16mm or over, then there are other factors like the mettalurgy and shape involved so it's a complicated world.

 

[Saddlesore]

Thanks Mussels - I'm even more paranoid now and need to go and lie down in a dark room!
The lock was the type and rating specified by the Insurance Co but as I said I also use a cable which is around 15-20mm in thickness as additional protection and to secure the saddle and front wheel. Obviously I also remove the cycle computer as well
Actually one of the problems with the shape of the tubes used in the Ezee frame is that you cannot use the D Lock frame fitting device and so I have to carry it around in one of my rear pannier bags

 

[Mussels]

Thanks Mussels - I'm even more paranoid now and need to go and lie down in a dark room!

Unfortunately I don't have the answers but it is easy to make an expensive mistake, price isn't always an idication of quality. As long as you can keep your insurance company happy then that's a form of security in itself, I just wish primary secirity was a bit more definate.

 

[prState]

Maybe this was already posted:

YouTube - Various Sold Secure and Thatcham chains chopped.

There are some useful things to glean from that. Why solid U style locks are preferrable, as they are about twice as thick as any of the chains.

-If you do use a chain, or cable, take up all the slack if particularly worried. No sense making it easier for them.

-on the bright side, that isn't a tool a thief could hide under his clothes very easy, or just stroll around with casually.

-simply avoid parking in any area where someone could work on your bike unnoticed.

Just a side note: when I was using a clutch lock (metal device blocking depressing the car's clutch) one could still use a tool to split the device apart if you were really a determined thief. However, lots of duct tape wrapped around parts of lock made getting such a device on a lot more difficult unless there is some way to remove lots of duct tape fast. So you can make things more difficult if you know what you're up against.

 

[Mussels]

Maybe this was already posted:

YouTube - Various Sold Secure and Thatcham chains chopped.

There are some useful things to glean from that. Why solid U style locks are preferrable, as they are about twice as thick as any of the chains.

U locks are about the same thickness as chains, I think all the ones cropped in that video were under 16mm which is the same as most non-premium U locks. U locks are better as it is harder to get the bolt croppers in the right position, but they are attacked with bottle jacks instead so it's important to fill the space inside the lock.
Sometimes you can't see the problems, the company that made that video is Almax and they produce a very good 16mm chain. The early chains were being being treated incorrectly by a supplier cutting corners and failed tests, just goes to show that you can never be 100% sure.
And as an aside the guy in the pink shirt commutes to work on a Powacycle Windsor.

 

[Rod Tibbs]

I was told by a cycle shop assistant that go into a plumbing shop, buy a pipe freezer, spray it on a D-Lock and then just shatter it with a hammer?
I don't know if this is true or not, if it is I think it would make the lock picking relevant.

Has anyone taken out insurance on thier e-bike?

Most standard house insurance policies also cover things like bikes so the chances are you are already covered. I checked with mine and apparently any bike up to around £900 is covered. For a more expensive bike you would pay a small extra premium.

 

[Saddlesore]

Rod,
I've taken out a separate policy as my household insurance would not cover e-bikes away from home - they were happy to cover an ordinary bike upto a certain value but nothing with a motor even if it was cheaper - there's discrimination for you!

 

[Rod Tibbs]

Rod,
I've taken out a separate policy as my household insurance would not cover e-bikes away from home - they were happy to cover an ordinary bike upto a certain value but nothing with a motor even if it was cheaper - there's discrimination for you!

Nothing surprises me these days!

 

[prState]

Just saw this story. In some places bicycle theft can really get out of hand!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/world/americas/22canada.html?pagewanted=1&hp

 

[eddieo]

security

As a soon to be wisper owner and seeing that I live in south London my thoughts have turned to security. I have a selection of bike locks but doubt that they are much good by todays standards...

so I am thinking of the "chaperone" alarm. plus the "Kryptonite New York 3000 Lock" with steel wire. will probably use one of my existing locks as well.

Can any one tell me if the Kryptonite is insurance rated as I may get bike insured...and any other/better recommendations please and best place to purchase would be welcome




update: have just ordered the AXA-BASTA Defender and cable as well, as its recommended on here

 

[eddieo]

Great! I wish I'd looked at the advice on here more carefully...just looked at the you tube link to axa lock vulnerability, after I had ordered it of course

 

[JohnInStockie]

Great! I wish I'd looked at the advice on here more carefully...just looked at the you tube link to axa lock vulnerability, after I had ordered it of course

Which Axa lock do you mean Eddie?

 

[Mussels]

As a soon to be wisper owner and seeing that I live in south London my thoughts have turned to security. I have a selection of bike locks but doubt that they are much good by todays standards...

so I am thinking of the "chaperone" alarm. plus the "Kryptonite New York 3000 Lock" with steel wire. will probably use one of my existing locks as well.

Can any one tell me if the Kryptonite is insurance rated as I may get bike insured...and any other/better recommendations please and best place to purchase would be welcome




update: have just ordered the AXA-BASTA Defender and cable as well, as its recommended on here

After asking someone who is somewhat of an expert in motorbike locks I bought the New York 3000 18mm for my Wisper to park it in London. I think it is covered by all the somewhat laughable top standards for Sold Secure and Thatcham so probably accepted by all insurance companies. There is a pushike version available with the smaller D but I went for the motorbike version as it is just the right size for the back wheel of the Wisper, it's heavy at 3Kg but that's not the end of the world on an asssted bike.

 

[eddieo]

Which Axa lock do you mean Eddie?

AXA-BASTA Defender, its the upgrade from discontinued SL 7?

you have to laugh, there are loads of video's showing how vulnerable these axa locks are on you tube......

reminds me of a clutch lock I bought years ago for a camper... cut through the bar in a few minutes with a junior hack saw

 

[eddieo]

I may go for the Abus lock as it seems well regarded and a bit cheaper then the Kryptonite.

I can order with either of following fixings: the TEX-KF twin bracket or the USH frame bracket.

Can anyone advise which would be correct for a wisper?


I think I managed to cancel the AXA.

anyone recommend some reasonable panniers?