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Just remove the intuvia display and turn the bike upside down on grass.. that is the green stuff not the special tobacco. The brake handles are solid enough and the assist control is robust. The only part I would worry about is scratching the face of the display on gravel or concrete. . the wheels come off in a jiffy with those quick release thingies.

. Because the bike is heavy, I would put it on its side and then rotate. On a lighter bike, I would have just rotated it over the back wheel,. But that would damage the mudguards
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You would want to be Houdini if you are trying to hold a bike in one hand and insert a rear wheel with the other, while using yet another hand to move the dereilliur back...

If removing the front wheel , make sure you disconnect the dynamo lead first and when replacing make sure you tighten the wheel before reconnecting the dynamo. .. if the wheel axle rotates it will damage the flimsy connector.
Tyres may need to be deflated to get past the brake pads. Incidentally I see that the newer model seems to have gone to disk brakes, rather than the rim brakes on my model.

Thanks very much Danidl, that was exactly the information I was looking for. I was resorting to using my foot as part of the wheel changing process while holding up the bike :| Never again! Thanks!
 

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Best course on bikes. A year and a half on puncture resistant Kendas and no punctures, followed by all the years since with Marathon Plus and just one slow puncture. Don't know how many thousands of miles altogether across three e-bikes.

It was a different story on the trailer with 16" nondescript Chinese tyres though, punctures galore, and different brands of slime didn't help at all, just made matters worse.
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Thanks to both of you for the info. I had never heard of slime but thought if it works why not, however I suspected it would be a messy and unreliable product.
We have Kenda puncture resistant tyres on both bikes and keep a high pressure.
 

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Thanks to both of you for the info. I had never heard of slime but thought if it works why not, however I suspected it would be a messy and unreliable product.
Slime was invented for car tyres, which are tubeless of course and quite thick, giving the compound a very good chance to seal.

With a bike tyre and tube, any shift between them with the deflation can disrupt the seal as it tries to form. Also bike tubes and most bike tyres are so thin there's not much to seal into.
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It`s been over a week now, not because of the present impasse, but of this nasty weather we`ve been having.
In any case i always like to get away from these busy roads and into the parkland if i can, Gosford, castlewellan, the Lakes and the like. At least you can relax somewhat there without worrying if that 40footer behind you is going to see you or not!

By the way is there now a straight run through to Bangor from Titanic? it`s a nice spot for biking around that helens bay part.

Any updates from the MP`s?
 

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It`s been over a week now, not because of the present impasse, but of this nasty weather we`ve been having.
In any case i always like to get away from these busy roads and into the parkland if i can, Gosford, castlewellan, the Lakes and the like. At least you can relax somewhat there without worrying if that 40footer behind you is going to see you or not!

By the way is there now a straight run through to Bangor from Titanic? it`s a nice spot for biking around that helens bay part.

Any updates from the MP`s?
Two more letters to power and two replies both stating that some sort of assembly needs to be in place which confuses me as there is nothing to debate! The law should be as it is in the rest of the UK but my advice still is that the PSNI are obliged to uphold the ludicrous law as it stands and to flout it would be similar to flouting a car regulation re tax insurance etc.
The implications from a scuff on a vehicle or pedestrians would carry the same penalty and possible civil action so we are currently off the road and livid with these bickering clowns.

Been to Bangor many times and the Sydenham By Pass is the way to go easily and safely from Titanic but cycle lanes soon become sporadic and the road is dangerous without them. Cycle the By Pass and get train at George Best airport to Holywood first then cycle to Helens Bay and onto Bangor is excellent on a good(ish) path (bit rough in places!) with the sea on your left all the way into Bangor. Splendid.
 

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Two more letters to power and two replies both stating that some sort of assembly needs to be in place which confuses me as there is nothing to debate!
The civil service can prepare the measure, but my understanding is that only the assembly can pass the change into law, hence the N.I minister unable to act.

I'm quite sure he could tell the police not to act upon the motorcycle law in respect of pedelecs, we've had similar ministerial temporary measures here in the mainland UK. However, Northern Ireland's unique problem is that such an order would leave a complete void of no law applying to pedelecs, so I can understand the reluctance.

What happens if the assembly subsequently refuse to pass the new law? What happens if someone got killed by a pedelec in that period of no law applying?

I'm sure you can recognise the potential pitfalls of a temporary order.
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The civil service can prepare the measure, but my understanding is that only the assembly can pass the change into law, hence the N.I minister unable to act.

I'm quite sure he could tell the police not to act upon the motorcycle law in respect of pedelecs, we've had similar ministerial temporary measures here in the mainland UK. However, Northern Ireland's unique problem is that such an order would leave a complete void of no law applying to pedelecs, so I can understand the reluctance.

What happens if the assembly subsequently refuse to pass the new law? What happens if someone got killed by a pedelec in that period of no law applying?

I'm sure you can recognise the potential pitfalls of a temporary order.
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Hence the reason we are grounded.
 

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Thanks to both of you for the info. I had never heard of slime but thought if it works why not, however I suspected it would be a messy and unreliable product.
We have Kenda puncture resistant tyres on both bikes and keep a high pressure.
I am reading with interest the other postings, from people with more experience than I and their dislike for slime type products. My advice was in the context that you gave a brand new bike with good quality fresh expensive tyres on it and you or I would be reluctant to scrap them. Halfords have puncture resistant tubes already fitted with the goo. , And their own brand is inexpensive. So my suggestion , which I have done myself is to replace the tubes with these ones and when it becomes time to replace the tyres then get the premium marathon plus tyres. Meanwhile keep the tyres inflated at their design pressure ... See the sidewalls as this also reduces the likelihood of puncture.
 
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Tommie are you out on your bike this weather?
Given any thought to the ongoing "illegal" aspect?

Bit of an update i just received from one of our MLA`s meeting with the Chief Con.

While the Chief Constable did indicate that PSNI would not be actively pursuing e-bike users in relation to any potential offences, he was not able to rule out any action being taken in all scenarios. The PSNI are in a difficult position in this regard, as they must be seen to uphold the law, whatever their feelings on the particular law in question. It was accepted that the situation in NI is an anomaly, but that it is outside the scope of PSNI's remit to change this.

I`m maybe reading between the lines here but it seems to me that unless you`re involved in an accident or acting the eejit your local patrol won`t be hauling you down to the nick if they spot you out and about.

All IMO of course...
 

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Bit of an update i just received from one of our MLA`s meeting with the Chief Con.

While the Chief Constable did indicate that PSNI would not be actively pursuing e-bike users in relation to any potential offences, he was not able to rule out any action being taken in all scenarios. The PSNI are in a difficult position in this regard, as they must be seen to uphold the law, whatever their feelings on the particular law in question. It was accepted that the situation in NI is an anomaly, but that it is outside the scope of PSNI's remit to change this.

I`m maybe reading between the lines here but it seems to me that unless you`re involved in an accident or acting the eejit your local patrol won`t be hauling you down to the nick if they spot you out and about.

All IMO of course...
Thanks for that Tommie. It is very close to the info I was getting from old mates from the RUC who still have an ear to the ground.
If there was ever a "grey area" in N.I. this is one of them.
Nobody wants an incident at any time and just because I rode fast motorbikes for 35 years I always had it in my mind that I was never far from an idiot.
Still feel the same although since my industrial accident my confidence is as low as it has ever been so I am still wary about taking a chance.
Wish these professional bickerers could sort a few things out for once including our e-bike problem which ultimately won't be high on the list.
 
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I`m maybe reading between the lines here but it seems to me that unless you`re involved in an accident or acting the eejit your local patrol won`t be hauling you down to the nick if they spot you out and about.
That's how I read it, and it's similar to the way the police regarded our legal confusion for a decade. In our case the law only permitted motors to have a 200 watt rating, but most pedelecs in use were 250 watts. There was only ever one serious attempt to prosecute and that was after an accident. It was abandoned after interventions from interested parties and the DfT.

Amusingly several forces were using 250 watt pedelecs or had trialled them.
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That's how I read it, and it's similar to the way the police regarded our legal confusion for a decade. In our case the law only permitted motors to have a 200 watt rating, but most pedelecs in use were 250 watts. There was only ever one serious attempt to prosecute and that was after an accident. It was abandoned after interventions from interested parties and the DfT.

Amusingly several forces were using 250 watt pedelecs or had trialled them.
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Do I remember the police using e-bikes to patrol Hyde Park or was that a failed trial?
 

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Do I remember the police using e-bikes to patrol Hyde Park or was that a failed trial?
That I don't know, the London Royal Parks have their own police force which I haven't followed closely.
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seems the europeans aren`t that impressed either http://www.bike-eu.com/laws-regulations/nieuws/2017/8/why-northern-ireland-is-mess-over-e-bike-regulations-10130953

interesting bit on what the driving licence for this new `vehicle` should be,
That article is wrong in many ways, for example inferring that N.I. have deliberately chosen to classify pedelecs as motorcycles. We know of course that it was only the lack of a sitting assembly that brought about this situation, it wasn't in any way intentional.

And they are wrong and out of date on the category AM driving licence. That is for two wheelers capable of up to 45 kph (28mph). It was formerly known as category P, which still exists but licences for up to 31 mph.

The licence for 25 kph (15.5 mph) is category Q.
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That I don't know, the London Royal Parks have their own police force which I haven't followed closely.
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I remember when living in Leigh I bought a Powabyke, with throttle control and little or no pedal input - but there was little choice back then.
I believe the shop told me that the police were either using them or trialling them for use in Hyde Park but I was never able to confirm this and put it down to sales spiel.
I am sure you guys will remember those bikes and their impossible weight and a battery like a HGV.