Ele tric Bike Reviews

vfr400

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What's going on with electric bike reviews? Nothing adds up.

I was led to a review by Google. Google often prompts you to make a review of something when it knows you've bought an item or service. I think that's a good idea as it prompts regular people to make honest reviews, however, it hasn't had much affect on electric bikes, as I could only find a few and they all looked highly suspicious.

This got me thinking, so I decided to check what's on Trustpilot. The results were a complete surprise. Most people would never notice, but this is why I was surprised.

1. Popular long-established brand Batribike - zero reviews. Not so well-known Volt bikes - 300 reviews. I would have said that a Brand like Oxygen would be similar to Volt, but they also have zero reviews.
2. There's no general incentive for people to leave reviews on Trustpilot. I guess some people just want to enlighten the world, so would make a habit of leaving reviews on Trustpilot. Others would want to warn others about a bad company, and occasionally someone would be so pleased with a particular product that they would feel motivated to tell everyone else about it. When you look at the reviews, the majority only ever did one review.
3. My thinking says that if someone wants to make the effort to tell the world about their experience with a product or service, they'd want to get their money's worth by telling a bit of a story. Why would anybody go to the effort of making an account, logging on then leaving a one liner, like, "Great staff and great bike" then never ever leave a review about anything else?

So, applying my thinking, the only reviews worth looking at are the ones from people that made say 5 or more reviews of different products, or ones where people wrote a sizeable page, though you have to think about their motives when they never left any other reviews. Considering everything, I'd only feel happy trusting about 1% of the good reviews. You then have to try and filter the bad ones into categories of where the reviewer misunderstood something, was just a bad customer or where random circumstances caused all the problems mentioned, which does happen.

It's similar with magazine and newspaper reviews. The same obscure brands seem to get mentioned again and again, while as well known good brands never get a word.

Even on this forum, many people buy their first electric bike. They never rode any others or they tried a very limited number, so they have no basis to evaluate from. In most cases, in their ignorance of viable alternative bikes, they make a post extolling the virtues of their new machine on the day after they bought it. They very rarely follow up with a long-term report, probably because all the bad points emerge after they've done some miles. I'm in a fortunate position that I know quite a few dealers and I've had inside information about bikes from people that have posted regularly on this forum saying how great and reliable their bikes are, conveniently failing to mention some fairly serious warranty problems they had.

All in all, it paints a pretty poor picture for those that need something to inform their choice of bike. Even trying a bike can give completely the wrong impression unless you get to try it on one of your typical journeys.

Most elctric bikes are good, so in spite of everything, most people are going to be happy with their choice however they got there.
 
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vfr400,
I can enlighten both you and other members about the inner workings of Trustpilot.
The first part of their name is a complete misnomer as you will see if you care to read the following, which is based on my own personal experience of the company.

Background to my dealings with Trustpilot and MyMemory:
Please do not waste your time with this company (MyMemory). A one star rating is far too high.
I had exactly the same experience as Alan. I waited for almost 3 weeks for delivery of a SanDisk SD card.
MyMemory supposedly operates from Glasgow but my card was finally delivered after 19 days from Switzerland.
You will be fobbed off with all sorts of excuses by “Customer Service”.
Just do yourself a big favour and buy elsewhere.
I ordered an identical card from Tesco and it was available from my local store the next day. I paid £1 more than from MyMemory and the Tesco delivery was free.
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Trustpilot reviews about MyMemory
Some customers (of MyMemory) complain about very long delivery times and shoddy customer service.
Can all these negative reviews be wrong?
All such negative reviews are apparently reported to Trustpilot'sCompliance Team” by My Memory for “missing proof of purchase”.
Someone of a more sceptical nature might be drawn to conclude that Trustpilot works hand-in-glove with My Memory by conveniently removing negative reviews, under the above pretext, in order to give a much rosier picture of My Memory's service.

In addition, why is it that My Memory has a nasty habit of only losing the purchase records of negative reviewers?
It does not appear to have any problem at all in finding the purchase records of positive reviewers.
No positive reviewer has ever been reported to Trustpilot's “Compliance Team” because of “missing proof of purchase”.
It must be a quirk of MM's ordering and purchase systems. Maybe they will iron out this particular flaw in the future? It is perhaps not a good idea to hold your breath.

Bearing in mind the recent BBC report on fake reviews, it could well be that many of Trustpilot's glowing testimonials for My Memory are not what they appear.
If you have the slightest shadow of a lingering doubt about the authenticity of Trustpilot's reviews and the quality of My Memory's service, you may well be much safer and happier shopping somewhere else.
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NB If you want a negative review of a Trustpilot client company published and wish to avoid the “Compliance Team/Missing proof of purchase” nonsense, simply give your negative review under the guise of a 4 star or 5 star review.
I did this and my highly critical review was published without any problem because Trustpilot’s screening is only searching for lowly starred reviews!
Happy reviewing.
 
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flecc

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This got me thinking, so I decided to check what's on Trustpilot. The results were a complete surprise. Most people would never notice, but this is why I was surprised.
The trouble with Trust Pilot and the like with product reviews is that one is invited by email to leave a review almost immediately after purchase. So the two things wrong with that are (1) That it only happens with purchases where the seller knows one's email address, so no face to face sales, and (2) being immediate the review is from no experience, only first impressions.

I would never bother to look up Trust pilot on my own initiative to leave a review after using a product for a while and I doubt most others would either, so product experience is sorely lacking in the reviews.

They are more suitable for such as leaving a hotel review after a night's stay, especially if it was an experience one wouldn't want to repeat! Even there they could be misleading. For example, I'd booked a single room night for £80 at a Dorset hotel, but on arrival they'd overbooked so had to place me elswhere in the only other available accommodation. That was a fabulous room, beautifully furnished with a three piece suite, a dining table and chairs, remote control heating, large TV and the sort of vast perfectly equipped bathroom that only the most wealthy normally have in their homes.

Imagine if I'd given an honest review of my £80 stay that night, omitting to mention it was in a £300 a night room!
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vfr400

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I know also that some companies use stooges to leave bad reviews on their competitors, which is why some want proof of purchase.

I was looking for a new motorbike and went to a store to see one. I had a terrible experience there and wondered whether I was the only one, so searched Google to see how other people got on there, which led me to Trustpilot. I left a bad review there, which couldn't be challenged because I hadn't bought anything. I noticed that in the next few days, a whole load of new reviews came up with each one countering the different points I raised, like I said the guy said he hadn't even heard of the model, even though it was an extremely common one. The good review countered with the guy being extremely knowledgeable about all the different models. I said that they couldn't find the bike, and when they did, I couldn't get access to it. The good review said that the bike was waiting and ready with loads of space to check it out. Etc.

Naturally, there were many other bad reviews telling similar stories to mine, each countered by a load of one liner reviews in the next few days. I know some businesses that have told me that they get their friends and employees to make fake reviews, which I can understand to some extent.

As I said, if you visit a restaurant and have your GPS in your phone switched on, Google knows about it and it sends you a prompt to make a review. Consequently restaurants get so many reviews that they can't keep up countering the bad ones, so I think that you can get a good picture of the restaurant from the Google reviews, but it's a different story for ebikes and other purchased items.