May 7, 20223 yr I'm having major difficulties believing this but it IS a study by The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents "five times lower than bicycles with 3.33 collisions per million miles travelled and nine times lower than the figure of 5.88 for motorcycles." https://ciltuk.org.uk/News/Latest-News/ArtMID/6887/ArticleID/36668/E-scooters-five-times-safer-than-bicycles-according-to-new-study-from-RoSPA
May 7, 20223 yr Author One down, 750,000 illegal electric scooters to go: https://www.countytimes.co.uk/news/20114935.powys-newtown-man-fined-using-scooter-without-l-plates/ He was riding one of these: https://www.mi.com/global/mi-electric-scooter-pro/
May 7, 20223 yr I'm having major difficulties believing this but it IS a study by The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents "five times lower than bicycles with 3.33 collisions per million miles travelled and nine times lower than the figure of 5.88 for motorcycles." https://ciltuk.org.uk/News/Latest-News/ArtMID/6887/ArticleID/36668/E-scooters-five-times-safer-than-bicycles-according-to-new-study-from-RoSPA Of the incidents that did occur on e-scooters, figures showed that most of them (94 per cent) took place in local authority areas that were not operating an e-scooter trial as opposed to areas with shared e-scooters available, further highlighting that so far, the UK’s shared e-scooter trials have proven to be remarkably safe. If the proportion of local authorities operating trials is less than 6%, is this positive? (By all means convert to populations in the LAs operating trials or any other reasonably rational approach.)
May 7, 20223 yr I'm having major difficulties believing this but it IS a study by The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents Do they have anyone named 'Boris' working at ROSPA ?
May 7, 20223 yr Author The timing does seem suspicious, given the Queen's Speech is 3 days away... More detail: https://www.rospa.com/getmedia/f29815f4-53e3-40fe-9459-db293df2fd4b/RoSPA-UK-eScooter-Report-Summary-v6-250422.pdf
May 7, 20223 yr Author Another e-scooter fire destroys a house: https://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/20118383.fire-service-sends-urgent-plea-onlookers-blocked-response-major-blaze-caused-e-scooter/
May 7, 20223 yr "The report recorded an incident rate of 0.66 collisions for every million miles travelled on an e-scooter – five times lower than bicycles with 3.33 collisions per million miles travelled and nine times lower than the figure of 5.88 for motorcycles" So the rate of collisions of Motorcycles is 9 times what it is for eScooters ?????? Sounds not right to me.
May 7, 20223 yr Author Someone has been bribed lobbied by Neuron Mobility? Maybe we should crowdfund for bribery lobbying funds for changes we'd like to see in pedelec law, such as legalising throttles up to 15.5mph? https://road.cc/content/news/rospa-e-scooters-five-times-safer-riders-bicycles-292339 Edited May 7, 20223 yr by guerney
May 7, 20223 yr The timing does seem suspicious, given the Queen's Speech is 3 days away... More detail: https://www.rospa.com/getmedia/f29815f4-53e3-40fe-9459-db293df2fd4b/RoSPA-UK-eScooter-Report-Summary-v6-250422.pdf So per million miles travelled, there is a crash rate of 1.52 for buses, but only 0.66 for eScooters ? So the average person would need to travel 1.5million miles on an escooter before they had a 'crash' Really ???
May 7, 20223 yr Author If the proportion of local authorities operating trials is less than 6%, is this positive? (By all means convert to populations in the LAs operating trials or any other reasonably rational approach.) I had no idea so many Councils were trialling e-scooters... Grant Schwepps has been bought! https://zagdaily.com/places/where-are-the-uks-e-scooter-trials/ 1 Middlesbrough Ginger 13 July 2020 2 Milton Keynes Spin 22 August 2020 3 Hartlepool Ginger 24 August 2020 4 Redcar Ginger 24 August 2020 5 Milton Keynes Lime 26 August 2020 6 Northampton Voi 3 September 2020 7 Birmingham Voi 10 September 2020 8 Coventry Voi 10 September 2020 9 Stafford Ginger 15 September 2020 10 Milton Keynes Ginger 16 September 2020 11 Newcastle-under-Lyme Zwings 16 September 2020 12 Norwich Beryl 21 September 2020 13 Cheltenham Zwings 30 September 2020 14 Redditch Bird 1 October 2020 15 Liverpool Voi 6 October 2020 16 Gloucester Zwings 8 October 2020 17 Cambridge Voi 15 October 2020 18 Slough Neuron 16 October 2020 19 York Tier 20 October 2020 20 Yeovil Zwings 22 October 2020 21 Salford Lime 26 October 2020 22 Nottingham Wind 27 October 2020 23 Bath Voi 29 October 2020 24 Bristol Voi 29 October 2020 25 Taunton Zipp 30 October 2020 26 Aylesbury Zipp 16 November 2020 27 High Wycombe Zipp 18 November 2020 28 Derby (LT) Wind 25 November 2020 29 Isle of Wight Beryl 26 November 2020 30 Basildon Spin 7 December 2020 31 West Bromwich Voi 8 December 2020 32 Kettering Voi 10 December 2020 33 University of Warwick Voi 17 December 2020 34 Chester Ginger 21 December 2020 35 Scunthorpe Ginger 23 December 2020 36 Bristol and Bath (LT) Voi 8 January 2021 37 Bournemouth Beryl 25 January 2021 38 Chelmsford Spin 1 February 2021 39 Colchester Spin 16 February 2021 40 Newcastle Neuron 16 February 2021 41 Oxford Voi 18 February 2021 42 Corby Voi 26 February 2021 43 Wellingborough Voi 2 March 2021 44 Rushden & Higham Ferrers Voi 2 March 2021 45 Clacton Spin 2 March 2021 46 Portsmouth Voi 16 March 2021 47 Southampton Voi 18 March 2021 48 Crewkerne Zwings 25 March 2021 49 Chard Zwings 25 March 2021 50 Canterbury Bird 29 March 2021 51 Brentwood (LT) Spin 29 March 2021 52 Whitehaven Ginger 29 March 2021 53 Braintree (LT) Spin 30 March 2021 54 Great Yarmouth Ginger 30 March 2021 55 Sunderland Neuron 31 March 2021 56 Rochdale Lime 1 April 2021 57 Barnstaple (LT) Voi 19 April 2021
May 7, 20223 yr So per million miles travelled, there is a crash rate of 1.52 for buses, but only 0.66 for eScooters ? So the average person would need to travel 1.5million miles on an escooter before they had a 'crash' Really ??? I was lucky to see this then! He'll be fine for the remaining 1,499,999.998 miles
May 7, 20223 yr So per million miles travelled, there is a crash rate of 1.52 for buses, but only 0.66 for eScooters ? So the average person would need to travel 1.5million miles on an escooter before they had a 'crash' Really ??? Before they had an incident that got officially recorded as an accident. None of my few incidents have ever been officially recorded. My recent 900 mile trip, over 12 days of riding, included on average one near miss per day bad enough to report had I had cameras, so one for every 75 miles, or 13,333 per million miles. Lies, damned lies, and recording systems blind to the majority of relevant events...
May 7, 20223 yr Before they had an incident that got officially recorded as an accident. None of my few incidents have ever been officially recorded. Mine neither... apart from the badger collision, which I believe is rarer than these apparently 1 for every 1.5 million mile e-scooter collisions... but I can't be sure, because as far as I know, nobody is collecting stats on this highly injurious type of collision with badgers! (BTW I can now reach all guitar strings )
May 7, 20223 yr So per million miles travelled, there is a crash rate of 1.52 for buses, but only 0.66 for eScooters ? So the average person would need to travel 1.5million miles on an escooter before they had a 'crash' And to pick that apart; If you used and eScooter for 365days a year, for 40 years, and you did only 100miles a day (???) you would expect to have just one 'crash' in that period ? There is something I do not understand here, maybe I am just confused ........
May 7, 20223 yr Author Sometime after 10th May, they'll be legal on their way to a ram raid? https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/four-teens-arrested-after-scooter-23859966 ...actually, it might not have been electric.
May 7, 20223 yr Dare I say misinformation, indeed, how many "millions" of mile traversed on a bike compared to that of an escooter.
May 7, 20223 yr Author I expect the government to announce strict unenforceable standards for private e-scooters, to which many can't be adapted to conform, and announce major expansion of rental schemes, as they've been paid to do by lobbyists. And because ebikes are apparently so unsafe in comparison, maybe those same companies are even now considering pulling the same set of tricks on pedelecs, at some point in the future? Edited May 7, 20223 yr by guerney
May 7, 20223 yr Another e-scooter fire destroys a house: https://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/20118383.fire-service-sends-urgent-plea-onlookers-blocked-response-major-blaze-caused-e-scooter/ I'd like to see something done regarding genuinely spontaneous battery fires. You could imagine a mandatory insurance being required which might incentivise sellers to reduce the danger. Obviously, people buying from overseas make that difficult but leaving things as they are is unacceptable.
May 7, 20223 yr Author There is no way that the Police can seize 750,000 illegal private e-scooters! And most will remain illegal I expect, after legal e-scooters are somewhat defined in 3 days... unless the government haven't been bribed by e-scooter rental lobbyists to (coincidentally) define legal e-scooters exclusively to the specifications which rental e-scooter companies currently offer. I see kids riding the things all the time https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/scooters-electric-kids-riding-road-23601199 Edited May 7, 20223 yr by guerney
May 7, 20223 yr Author I'd like to see something done regarding genuinely spontaneous battery fires. You could imagine a mandatory insurance being required which might incentivise sellers to reduce the danger. Obviously, people buying from overseas make that difficult but leaving things as they are is unacceptable. Do you mean insurance required of the seller, manufacturer or buyer and user? Insurance required of the buyer and user might make them more discerning; influence them to buy quality branded battery packs. If sellers and/or manufacturers are required to be insured against battery fires, as you say - people will simply buy from overseas cheaper.
May 7, 20223 yr Author Before they had an incident that got officially recorded as an accident. None of my few incidents have ever been officially recorded. My recent 900 mile trip, over 12 days of riding, included on average one near miss per day bad enough to report had I had cameras, so one for every 75 miles, or 13,333 per million miles. Lies, damned lies, and recording systems blind to the majority of relevant events... You really should get a camera - I've got a cheapo Crosstour 4K mounted permanently on the front of my jawguard. I hope someone will prosecute, after wresting the SD card from my cold dead hand... I also do a lot of beeping. I'm not at all sure it helps prevent anything, but it sure does feel good beeping naughty drivers loudly! Edited May 7, 20223 yr by guerney
May 7, 20223 yr Before they had an incident that got officially recorded as an accident. None of my few incidents have ever been officially recorded Agreed. They also use the word "collision" - so falling off and many other bad ends would not be included.
May 7, 20223 yr You really need to get a camera - I've got a cheapo Crosstour 4K mounted permanently on the front of my jawguard. I hope someone will prosecute, after wresting the SD card from my cold dead hand... Serious research is underway. Sticking point(s) for my kind of use that for most people would be non-issues are battery life and recording time. I need minimum half a long day on a battery, so 6 hours, and ideally a card that lasts at least a day. I haven't worked out how many Gb that is yet! As I dig deeper, power consumption has come up as an issue. My summer trips are going to be solar powered, and on less than perfect days I can't afford 5W or so for a GoPro, and ideally I want two, when I'm only generating let's say 60W average for the day. I also want to be certain of video quality for number plate capture, so nervous of any older or cheaper cameras without image stabilisation. A better camera also means a right good record of the trips, so I'm looking at GoPro 7 or newer in a protective case powered by USB from an intermediate battery for cameras etc charged only when the sky is blue, using power the bike doesn't need. But not there yet.
May 7, 20223 yr Author Agreed. They also use the word "collision" - so falling off and many other bad ends would not be included. I wondered about that - but surely as it's a collision with the ground, for responsible stats collection they should be? It must happen a heck of a lot, just one unexpected bump and wham! Head and shoulders knees but probably not toes. From what I've seen it's often shoulder first, then head.
May 7, 20223 yr apart from the badger collision, which I believe is rarer than these apparently 1 for every 1.5 million mile e-scooter collisions. My friend and I had a badger suddenly run out in front of us too, but unfortunately for Mr Badger, we were in a VW Golf at the time and MrB didnt fair so well.
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