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WheezyRider

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What is definite is that it also depends where you live, and where you park your bike. I live in Germany, in a small village, that is probably less attractive to thieves, whereas Frankfurt, only 40 Kms away, probably attracts more attention.
I really believe that the CENTER of ANY system to prevent theft, must be a VERY LOUD alarm, and a friend of mine has two different ones on his bike, he has also not lost a bike while living and working in Frankfurt.
Just how much alarm(s) "help", I cannot guess and I do not know, but as others here will tell you, I mention alarms just about every time someone loses a bike and posts here.
So sadly, it is still not the "norm" for many e-bikers who post here.
I did read of someone, in the UK I believe, that had live fireworks as an alarm (most effective I would guess), and it was said, that the thief had to go and change his pants, but that may have just been funny embellishment! It also sounds quite dangerous for the owner, if something went wrong.
I personally like the way you can set up a GPS tracker, for several different options (at least the Trackers I have owned and used), and they also need to be part of preventing bike theft in my view, and may even reduce insurabß´nce costs (just guessing on that point!):-
1) Sleep mode, that wakes up on physical movement, calling "home" to tell you that. I use the USB power supply on my bike, to keep the internal battery charged. Sensitivity adjustable.
2) Tracking of the tracker is very easy with really simple, and cheap, Android software. It is so accurate, that you can see in which lane the tracker is in, on a multi lane road/motorway. So in use, you have positioning infos down to a few meters.....
3) There are GPS Trackers for cars and motorbikes, with a relay, that can be triggered to OFF, exactly when the owner wishes, say stopping the fuel pump on a vehicle, and/or switching off the ignition. This might even be used on certain e-bikes, to safely remove battery power, for example. Though I have up to now, not bought one of these (simply because I did not know there were such units at the time I bought a Tracker!) It could even be used for when you are close to the position of your bike, to switch on a hidden, but loud alarm!
There are other features that could possibly be useful for an e-bike (any bike) owner.....
I simply ask why do people "concentrate" on known problems, by ignoring the fact that disk cutting of bike locks is a well known and therefore a prime example, but they COMPLETELY forget alarms and GPS Trackers.......
It seems so obvious to me personally, but it obviously isn't that obvious, or more people would fit and use them.
One caveat is that car GPS Trackers, will be more difficult to hide on a bike, as they are a little bit larger that true bike versions (or they were some years ago). Though I myself have actually only bought "Personal GPS Trackers" and fitted them to my bike......
Some further, up to date investigation, is needed by people with something to lose......
Do be careful, some trackers advertised as being GPS, are NOT GPS, they are simply Mobil phone towers tracked, and in a city that may get you down to 50 meters or so, but out in the country it might be Kilometers.....Ebay sellers always NEED to be asked several times, before they MIGHT admit this. Those units are useless. The ones you will need are generally above 20 UK Pounds each!!
This might be a genuine one, and if true, the prices have dropped over the last few years:-
I would recommend asking for a download of the manual before buying. The accuracy is suspect, as in my experience, a true GPS Tracker should be far more accurate than being claimed here. So it may just be GSM Phone towers.
What is good to see is that it can handle 12 - 36 volts, and that it has two connectors, one for power, and the other one can drive a relay coil, though this has not been mentioned, which is the reason for needing to read the manual before purchase....
This one looks better, USB Charging socket and relay control leads, but it is in German, so those who don't will need to find the English version on ebay.co.uk:-
If I can answer any questions anyone may have about GPS, give me a call! I do not know everything, but I will do my best for you.
By the way, a GPS Tracker, is almost a mobile phone, and with certain models you can switch on a microphone and hear sounds from where the tracker is, also, you can also switch on a loudspeaker, for example when you want to talk to your child or elderly parent.....
I find them fascinating.....
regards
Andy
PS. The thieving FECKERS need to be stopped, we all must be a tick cleverer than the thieves!

I think the tracker concept is a great idea, but I do wonder. Say you managed to track down your bike, what do you do about it? More often than not, the police couldn't give a monkeys, even if you are able to tell them exactly where the bike is. Are you gong to get into an altercation with a gang of bike thieves to get it back yourself?

Sadly, I've found the best solution is to have two e-bikes. One for best, which you keep securely at home or in the office at work, then you have a crappy old ebike no-one would be interested in stealing for going to the shops etc.
 
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I have added a fair few extras to my Woosh Rio..This includes Marathon Plus tyres, mavic crossmax front wheel, suspension seat post, Comfy seat, Lights, Helmet, cam, Five Ten shoes, Rucksack, Decent rain ware, upgraded disc pads, upgraded chain, stupidly loud air horn , Various tools and a bag frame. The grand total is a mind-blowing £850 lol.
I am using the bike most days to commute to work so the grand price of £2000 including bike still seems good value. It's frightening when you start adding everything up.
The Dutch, who cycle more than any other country and commonly commute on bikes, ride in ordinary street clothing and mostly leave bikes exactly as they bought them, upgrading nothing.

Far from being fashion concious with their cycling, many of them deliberately rubbish a new bike by such as hand painting some of it in an amateurish way, adding tatty old pannier bags, saddle, grips etc to make it look not worth stealing, since they have a big bike theft problem too.
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Andy-Mat

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I think the tracker concept is a great idea, but I do wonder. Say you managed to track down your bike, what do you do about it? More often than not, the police couldn't give a monkeys, even if you are able to tell them exactly where the bike is. Are you gong to get into an altercation with a gang of bike thieves to get it back yourself?

Sadly, I've found the best solution is to have two e-bikes. One for best, which you keep securely at home or in the office at work, then you have a crappy old ebike no-one would be interested in stealing for going to the shops etc.
You do not seem as though you like the British police, one of the best around the world! STILL!
But I would be most surprised, that if you talked to them and showed them a printout of the map, or the screen display, detailing where your bike is hiding, if they did not send a crew to check it out fully.....and maybe take you along for the ride, especially if you are able to cause a loud noise to happen, just when you are close and the unit is still in the bike somewhere....
It is SO cheap nowadays to get a good reliable GPS Tracker, that anyone NOT having one is really not thinking correctly, as it is "bangs for your buck" the best solution!
Good bike locks cost 3-5 times more than a good tracker.....though you do need both!
But that is only my take on the subject!
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Andy
 

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You do not seem as though you like the British police, one of the best around the world! STILL!
But I would be most surprised, that if you talked to them and showed them a printout of the map, or the screen display, detailing where your bike is hiding, if they did not send a crew to check it out fully.....and maybe take you along for the ride, especially if you are able to cause a loud noise to happen, just when you are close and the unit is still in the bike somewhere....
It is SO cheap nowadays to get a good reliable GPS Tracker, that anyone NOT having one is really not thinking correctly, as it is "bangs for your buck" the best solution!
Good bike locks cost 3-5 times more than a good tracker.....though you do need both!
But that is only my take on the subject!
Regards
Andy
Trackers and alarms do nothing if the thieves want your property. They may make you feel more secure but that is not the case.
People saw my motorcycle being loaded into the van with the Datatag alarm wailing.... They do not want to get involved in altercations with scumbags. GPS devices can easily be found and disposed of, or circumvented.
Where can you hide a GPS on a bicycle realistically anyway. As soon as it is inside a van or someones lock up, it is invisible.
Just my view as a victim of (motor)bike theft.
Other opinions are available!

Edit: For those interested I use this in my garage with a ground anchor, securing my KTM motorcycle.
Expensive but lesson learnt.
 

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Trackers and alarms do nothing if the thieves want your property. They may make you feel more secure but that is not the case.
People saw my motorcycle being loaded into the van with the Datatag alarm wailing.... They do not want to get involved in altercations with scumbags. GPS devices can easily be found and disposed of, or circumvented.
Where can you hide a GPS on a bicycle realistically anyway. As soon as it is inside a van or someones lock up, it is invisible.
Just my view as a victim of (motor)bike theft.
Other opinions are available!

Edit: For those interested I use this in my garage with a ground anchor, securing my KTM motorcycle.
Expensive but lesson learnt.
Each of us must follow his own thoughts on in such matters, but doing little or nothing cannot be recommended.
With regard to the installation of GPS Trackers, inside the battery case or frame is usually best, though I glued mine inside/underneath my saddle, so it was:- a) protected from the rain and sun, 2) the signals were not shielded too much and 3) it was invisible for all intents and purposes.
But at the end of the day, each must decide what is best for him.
Thats exactly what I do anyway, and up to now, it has worked.....no losses.
regards
Andy!
 
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The levels of response/action varies from county to county to at what length forces will act on.
 
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WheezyRider

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You do not seem as though you like the British police, one of the best around the world! STILL!
But I would be most surprised, that if you talked to them and showed them a printout of the map, or the screen display, detailing where your bike is hiding, if they did not send a crew to check it out fully.....and maybe take you along for the ride, especially if you are able to cause a loud noise to happen, just when you are close and the unit is still in the bike somewhere....
It is SO cheap nowadays to get a good reliable GPS Tracker, that anyone NOT having one is really not thinking correctly, as it is "bangs for your buck" the best solution!
Good bike locks cost 3-5 times more than a good tracker.....though you do need both!
But that is only my take on the subject!
Regards
Andy

It's not a case of disliking the police, it's just from years of experience of what they are and are not prepared to get involved in. I don't blame them, it's not an easy job and resources have been cut beyond the bone.

A friend of mine had a very expensive bike stolen. It was almost unique and easily recognisable. A friend said he had seen it locked up in the town centre. They reported it to the police and were told, "well go and steal it back then". So that's what they did. Eventually, the police caught the person who'd stolen it. It went to court, but the police messed up the procedurals and the guy got off on a technicality. My friend got his bike back, but he had to pay the thief for damaging the thief's lock and he also had to re-reimburse the thief for the parts he had added to the bike while it was stolen!

This was some years ago now and things have only got got worse. Sadly, police now don't care much about what they call petty crime like bike theft. They don't have the resources to follow it up. Unless someone is killed or injured, they are not interested.

If you can add a tracker, it adds another layer of security, which is good, but I don't think it will stop theft and it doesn't guarantee that you will get your property back afterwards, even if you know where it is.
 
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If you can add a tracker, it adds another layer of security, which is good, but I don't think it will stop theft and it doesn't guarantee that you will get your property back afterwards, even if you know where it is.
There are no guarantees in this life, one adjusts the odds, to make it as good as you can for you and yours.....
I still say, that NOT having an alarm and a GPS, is putting the odds more in favour of the thieves, exactly as you have experienced.
Furthermore, I know police forces have been reduced in size, and not only in the UK, which really means you have to be twice as good as you were before.....
Just recently, here on Pedelec, it was mentioned that all the extras you put on a bike, are not covered by insurance......
Which if also true for here, (I have not checked the policy for that!), I am lucky that all the extras were bought WITH the bike, in one price including delivery and import duties, all except for the GPS! So they will all be covered by the insurance...and I have a spare GPS still!
Andy
 

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There are no guarantees in this life, one adjusts the odds, to make it as good as you can for you and yours.....
I still say, that NOT having an alarm and a GPS, is putting the odds more in favour of the thieves, exactly as you have experienced.
Furthermore, I know police forces have been reduced in size, and not only in the UK, which really means you have to be twice as good as you were before.....
Just recently, here on Pedelec, it was mentioned that all the extras you put on a bike, are not covered by insurance......
Which if also true for here, (I have not checked the policy for that!), I am lucky that all the extras were bought WITH the bike, in one price including delivery and import duties, all except for the GPS! So they will all be covered by the insurance...and I have a spare GPS still!
Andy

Yes you are right, it's a balancing act. For me, I've just come to the conclusion it's not worth spending a lot of money on something that I can't protect as well as I would like and I don't have the time to sort out and maintain anything beyond a simple lock system.

It used to be the case that "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's ass", but nowadays that would be: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's e-bike" :)

And of course, who follows the rules?
 
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