Dutch Government banning most i.c cars

[flecc]

The Netherlands government have announced their intention to ban all petrol and diesel cars by 2025, just 9 years of gas guzzling left! Even hybrids banned.

I believe they might just do this, Norway has, and the Dutch have never shown any past reluctance to act against the motoring world.

Renault and Nissan boards of directors are probably dancing with joy, since this will soon do huge damage to petrol and diesel car sales meanwhile. There'll be the possibility of having something unsaleable without exporting it for peanuts.

However, the irony is that Dutch electricity is generated by coal burning.
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[Fordulike]

The Netherlands government have announced their intention to ban all petrol and diesel cars by 2025, just 9 years of gas guzzling left! Even hybrids banned.

I believe they might just do this, Norway has, and the Dutch have never shown any past reluctance to act against the motoring world.

Renault and Nissan boards of directors are probably dancing with joy, since this will soon do huge damage to petrol and diesel car sales meanwhile. There'll be the possibility of having something unsaleable without exporting it for peanuts.

However, the irony is that Dutch electricity is generated by coal burning.
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This might speed up the research and development of higher energy density and/or lighter lithium batteries. Which is good news for us.

 

[the_killjoy]

That's their tourist industry buggered then, any one driving in Europe will just take a diversion.

 

[flecc]

That's their tourist industry buggered then, any one driving in Europe will just take a diversion.

Possibly not, they may still be able to drive in. Apparently they intend to let existing cars continue in use, though not saying for how long. By the same token they may continue to allow visitor's i.c. cars, for a while at least.
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[oldgroaner]

Frankly I can't see this happening in such a short period of time, so many vehicles such as delivery vans,Taxis, Motorhomes and Caravan Towcars would require far too much energy to propel them electrically unless they can somehow draw power from an external source, it sounds more like a pious hope rather than a real threat, another great idea that has a very deep flaw with regards to present technology.

 

[oldgroaner]

The Netherlands government have announced their intention to ban all petrol and diesel cars by 2025, just 9 years of gas guzzling left! Even hybrids banned.

I believe they might just do this, Norway has, and the Dutch have never shown any past reluctance to act against the motoring world.

Renault and Nissan boards of directors are probably dancing with joy, since this will soon do huge damage to petrol and diesel car sales meanwhile. There'll be the possibility of having something unsaleable without exporting it for peanuts.

However, the irony is that Dutch electricity is generated by coal burning.
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I doubt whether this idea will result in the same party remaining in power after the next election!

 

[flecc]

I doubt whether this idea will result in the same party remaining in power after the next election!

This doesn't apply to them, their system is vastly different from ours in the UK..

They have a proportional representation system with powers shared by the States, the King and the government. As in any proportional system, the government may be composed of a number of parties. The basis of their system is consensual, decisions reached after agreement. At present this measure is the consensual agreement, but it still has to passed by the Senate so isn't yet final. The odds are that it will be passed since all but the Senate have agreed so far, though it could have modifications.
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[anotherkiwi]

Frankly I can't see this happening in such a short period of time, so many vehicles such as delivery vans,Taxis, Motorhomes and Caravan Towcars would require far too much energy to propel them electrically unless they can somehow draw power from an external source, it sounds more like a pious hope rather than a real threat, another great idea that has a very deep flaw with regards to present technology.

Weren't milk floats electric? Electric delivery vehicles have been around for a very long time and are getting better as battery technology improves.
A Tesla taxi, yes please I will ride in one of those and the owner will be thrilled with his energy costs.
Death to motor-homes! Death to caravans!

I think the Dutch are more concerned with the future than with the present. That is what politicians are there for isn't it? Preparing the future, administrating the present and making sure the past doesn't come around again.

Oh sorry I forgot you are English, tax haven anyone...

Disclaimer some of the above is tongue in cheek

 

[flecc]

Weren't milk floats electric? Electric delivery vehicles have been around for a very long time and are getting better as battery technology improves.
A Tesla taxi, yes please I will ride in one of those and the owner will be thrilled with his energy costs.

Over the whole vehicle history I wouldn't say e-vehicles have been getting better. In the first decade or so of cars, the best one could buy was definitely an electric car, very much better than the early steam and petrol ones. But they couldn't advance much due to the lead-acid batteries, while petrol cars and steam lorries advanced considerably, the latter in use almost to the 1950s.

The only electric vehicles persisting were the milk floats and some city delivery vans. I still remember the large Harrods electric van delivering in South London in the 1960s, but after that it and the milk floats gradually disappeared completely.

So overall it was downhill all the way for electric until this latest very recent batch of e-cars, which again now have largely hit a battery technological/economic brick wall.

As for a Tesla taxi, all London taxis are being switched to being much cleaner, but it looks like it has to be hybrid, like the new London bus. Batteries are still decades away from practical all day operation in working taxis and buses and may never reach it.
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[gray198]

Recently read an article that says that the hybrid type vehicles contribute more to air pollution because the extra weight causes more wear on tyres etc which is then transmitted into the atmosphere. Seems like every positive has a negative

 

[mike killay]

Did the Dutch ask Angela Merkel if they can do this?

 

[flecc]

Did the Dutch ask Angela Merkel if they can do this?

Nice tease, but no-one needs to for any reason. Usage is entirely within the power of national governments. Germany's S class is a good example, as is the throttle ruling for UK pedelecs by our DfT.
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[stumpy150]

Banning I/c engines from the entire country ? Never happen,

Banning I/c engines from city centres ? Good idea - The centre of Florence in Italy bans all I/ c during the day time, so the taxis are mostly Prius or similar and there are loads of small elec vans. Even the small hopper buses are electric.

 

[anotherkiwi]

Buses In Bayonne (tiny town) are electric, buses in Nantes (big city) are hybrid or hydrogen fuel cell, buses in ... I thought electric or fuel cell buses were a done deal? Well in the EU they are

 

[Croxden]

[QUOTE="anotherkiwi, post: 305591, member: I thought electric or fuel cell buses were a done deal? Well in the EU they are [/QUOTE]

Sounds like another reason to leave, or remain in the EU.

 

[flecc]

Banning I/c engines from the entire country ? Never happen,

Not all i.c. engines, just cars in use by Dutch citizens using i.c. engines.

Could happen, Holland is a small country and very flat, so good electric ranges. They already have a quite large number of pure electric cars on the road, mainly from Tesla, Nissan and Renault. 70% of the population cycle anyway and they have quite good public transport. If any country could do it, the most likely would be theirs.
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[anotherkiwi]

Recently read an article that says that the hybrid type vehicles contribute more to air pollution because the extra weight causes more wear on tyres etc which is then transmitted into the atmosphere. Seems like every positive has a negative

The article just popped up on my news-feed. "These extra emissions are almost equal to the toxic particulates saved by reduced engine use, ..." So if I apply logic to the above sentence:
- an electric car makes almost as much non engine generated particle pollution as the particle pollution of a diesel car engine.
- A diesel car makes engine particle pollution and slightly less brake and tyre particle pollution than an electric car (but still more than a petrol engine - because heavier).

Conclusion: a diesel produces more particle pollution than an electric car and electric cars produce more non engine generated particle pollution than we thought they did / they should do, your choice.

This could be fixed with a bit of research - new tyre compounds, new brake pad compounds. Passive car security is also a big contributor to particle pollution because it makes cars much heavier.

 

[Yamdude]

The Dutch Gov could consult with George Ferguson on this issue..... not only does he hate cars, but he's looking for a job now.
In fact he could move to the Netherlands to do it..... then us Bristolians would happily never have to clap eyes on the red trouser wearing **** again.

 

[flecc]

The Dutch Gov could consult with George Ferguson on this issue..... not only does he hate cars, but he's looking for a job now.
In fact he could move to the Netherlands to do it..... then us Bristolians would happily never have to clap eyes on the red trouser wearing **** again.

Yes, he's certainly been contentious, even we in London know about his antics. He suffers no shortage of courage though..

Be interesting to know where he'll pop up next, I can't see him just retiring to quiet obscurity.
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[SteveRuss]

Yes, he's certainly been contentious, even we in London know about his antics. He suffers no shortage of courage though..

Be interesting to know where he'll pop up next, I can't see him just retiring to quiet obscurity.
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He owns quite a few businesses in Bristol. The Tobacco Factory has regular Shakespeare (in the round) shows on which are very good. I believe he lives in the top of the large old building. Why he went for Mayor is quite beyond me.

For me. He did a lot of good but people always concentrate on the bad stuff, which is kind of understandable..