Derestricted or legal

[Vandazler]

If the police chose to prosecute you for riding a deristricted pedelec they would charge you with riding an unregistered and uninsured motor cycle.

Yes,I fully understand that. I think this point has been covered on several threads.

 

[flecc]

I’m not sure how motor bikes came up. I certainly wasn’t referring to them.

Although I didn't raise this subject, by way of explanation you did inadvertantly bring it up, since motorbikes start at 15.5 mph powered speed limit. The L1e-A moped class is for up to 1000 watt machines limited to 15.5 mph power assistance and they have to comply with all moped law, registration, number plate, insurance etc.

When you ride an e-bike with higher than 15.5 mph assistance it is in law a motorcycle/moped in all but three European countries. Even in those three it still has to be registered, plated and insured.

I find the concept of sharing pathways wrong anyway,pedestrians don’t always hear you coming and it’s downright dangerous sharing with them. As a kid we were always told to use the road if on a push bike, maybe I’m being old fashioned.

Perhaps, those days were largely before cycle paths were created. Today the huge growth in car use has led to heavily congested roads often dangerous for cycling, and vast areas of almost always empty pavements. As a result government has increasingly been putting the pavements back into more productive use with cycling, using this increase in a safer cycling environment to tempt more to cycle instead of always driving.

This does make sense, we don't have such a surplus of space in the UK that we can leave the huge areas that pavements cover nationwide largely unused as they have long been.
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[Fat Rat]

Although I didn't raise this subject, by way of explanation you did inadvertantly bring it up, since motorbikes start at 15.5 mph powered speed limit. The L1e-A moped class is for up to 1000 watt machines limited to 15.5 mph power assistance and they have to comply with all moped law, registration, number plate, insurance etc.

When you ride an e-bike with higher than 15.5 mph assistance it is in law a motorcycle/moped in all but three European countries. Even in those three it still has to be registered, plated and insured.



Perhaps, those days were largely before cycle paths were created. Today the huge growth in car use has led to heavily congested roads often dangerous for cycling, and vast areas of almost always empty pavements. As a result government has increasingly been putting the pavements back into more productive use with cycling, using this increase in a safer cycling environment to tempt more to cycle instead of always driving.

This does make sense, we don't have such a surplus of space in the UK that we can leave the huge areas that pavements cover nationwide largely unused as they have long been.
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I was just about to reply to the motor bike thing but flecc couldn’t have put it better

 

[Vandazler]

Have there been any prosecutions for having speed enhancing equipment fitted to a Pedelec just as a matter of interest in the UK?

 

[soundwave]

Have there been any prosecutions for having speed enhancing equipment fitted to a Pedelec just as a matter of interest in the UK?

no the police wont chase me even when im pissed and stoned

 

[chris_n]

Have there been any prosecutions for having speed enhancing equipment fitted to a Pedelec just as a matter of interest in the UK?

Not that I know of, I guess it will only happen following an accident. The police in Austria where I ride my bike do have a dynamometer and do test bike cut out speed. They are also fully aware of the methods of working most if not all of the mainstream dongles.

 

[flecc]

Have there been any prosecutions for having speed enhancing equipment fitted to a Pedelec just as a matter of interest in the UK?

Not as such in the UK. There was one police attempt on the basis of being over the prescribed wattage but that was killed off before it happened, something I had a part in achieving.

In Guernsey in the Channel Islands there was a similar attempted prosecution of a bike shop for hiring e-bikes with higher ratings, but they have their own law of course.

This isn't something the police are usually interested in so it's mainly likely to crop up in a contested insurance or damages court case following an accident. Then not complying could lead to bankruptcy.
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[anotherkiwi]

At the moment I am often at 32-35 km/h on the way into town. As cars around me are doing about that or less at certain times of day I either take the lane or pass them riding down the center of the road. My cut off is set to 27 km/h LCD which is 25 km/h GPS, difference due to oversized tyres.

Where i would like to ride at 45 km/h assisted is on the open road but that would require more battery Ah than I can currently afford in order to ride the distances I need to go.

It is all about compromises...

 

[georgehenry]

http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/terry-scott-gets-badasse.24180

I loved the humour in this thread from some time ago. We all have entrenched views on this topic with the restricted lobby rightly able to take the moral high ground.

If Wolfie were writing it today the rather lovely and sleek Fat Rat might have got a mention.

 

[prixat]

And they come in all shapes and sizes..
https://www.50cycles.com/riese-muller-tinker-touring-hs

50cycles also sell an e-motorbike (classed as a 28mph moped) for a £1000 less and will register it with DVLA for a £55 fee.
https://www.50cycles.com/super-soco

 

[Gubbins]

Has anyone seen the new Ducati ebike? If anything would be worth redistricting it would be a Ducati.

 

[flecc]

Has anyone seen the new Ducati ebike? If anything would be worth redistricting it would be a Ducati.

 

[LeighPing]

Downhill, there's not a lot of difference between them.

 

[Gubbins]

Its all in the colour..... And the name of course..

 

[EddiePJ]

Its all in the colour..... And the name of course..

I had assumed that you had meant the Mig-RR

A lovely bike spoilt by yet another mud catching battery position.



Italian manufacturing and electrics have never been a good combination.


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[flecc]

Italian manufacturing and electrics have never been a good combination.

Indeed, Italy hasn't had much success with e-bikes, models and prototypes appear regulary but quickly disappear. Aprilia in particular have had a number of attempts, the a prototype in 2001 being this hydrogen fuel cell model. They followed that in 2004 with this battery model weighing 29 kilos. Both their motors appear to be a rip-off of Yamaha's successful PAS model.
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[anotherkiwi]

I had assumed that you had meant the Mig-RR

A lovely bike spoilt by yet another mud catching battery position.

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Italian manufacturing and electrics have never been a good combination.


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It is a thing of beauty even for a non off roader like me.

The first generation Lancia Delta and the Fiat Panda never gave me electrical problems. The Lancia Fulvia and Fiat Stilo on the other hand did justice to the Italian reputation

 

[georgehenry]

Its all in the colour..... And the name of course..

That's not a Ducati, this is a Ducati

 

[flecc]

That's not a Ducati, this is a Ducati

No, as owners know, this is a Ducati:

 

[Benjahmin]

No, as owners know, this is a Ducati:

'Sfunny, I thought they were Italian not British