Definitely not for commuting

[Mantis55]

Recently retired , asthmatic, my road/touring bike has hardly been out of the garage for the past 5 years as I just didn’t seem to be getting any benefit from the exercise. I used to do a fair bit of touring with panniers etc and just enjoyed going out for a run on the summer nights after work.

Recently bought a Crossfire-e from Halfords in the January sale, only risked £960 on it in case it wasn’t for me. Loved the bike but encountered technical problems and other limitations so I got a refund and am willing to spend up to about £2.3k on something better quality with crank motor. I appreciate that bikes will drop in value and the advice is often to get a cheaper bike and replace it after a couple of years, but the cost is not a huge issue for me.

I’m looking for something with the ‘road bike’ appearance of the Crossfire, with 700c wheels or similar and disc brakes.
I don’t like the noise and friction of mountain bike tyres and don’t do much off-road stuff.

So far, been looking at Cube Cross, Ridgeback Cyclone and Kalkhoff Voyager/Endeavour.

Swaying towards the Ridgeback because of the lower weight (never did learn the weight of the Crossfire but it felt bloody heavy lifting it). I imagine 3-4kg on an e-bike is significant, not so much for cycling but for transporting it by car.

Also like the look of the Crossfuse but it seems very heavy and there are very few reviews to see whether it suffers from cut outs like the Crossfire.

 

[soundwave]

17.5kg you wont like the price tho

 

[Powerbikes]

The Raleigh Motus ticks the boxes. It's a very popular and reliable bike! £2000
https://powerbikes.uk/product-tag/motus/

Or there is a slightly cheaper lower spec version the Captus (smaller battery, no lights and a couple of other bits) £1750
https://powerbikes.uk/product-tag/captus/

These are roughly 1kg more than the cyclone.

 

[Paul Price]

You sure you want a crank motor my understanding is that they're very difficult to replace

Recently retired , asthmatic, my road/touring bike has hardly been out of the garage for the past 5 years as I just didn’t seem to be getting any benefit from the exercise. I used to do a fair bit of touring with panniers etc and just enjoyed going out for a run on the summer nights after work.

Recently bought a Crossfire-e from Halfords in the January sale, only risked £960 on it in case it wasn’t for me. Loved the bike but encountered technical problems and other limitations so I got a refund and am willing to spend up to about £2.3k on something better quality with crank motor. I appreciate that bikes will drop in value and the advice is often to get a cheaper bike and replace it after a couple of years, but the cost is not a huge issue for me.

I’m looking for something with the ‘road bike’ appearance of the Crossfire, with 700c wheels or similar and disc brakes.
I don’t like the noise and friction of mountain bike tyres and don’t do much off-road stuff.

So far, been looking at Cube Cross, Ridgeback Cyclone and Kalkhoff Voyager/Endeavour.

Swaying towards the Ridgeback because of the lower weight (never did learn the weight of the Crossfire but it felt bloody heavy lifting it). I imagine 3-4kg on an e-bike is significant, not so much for cycling but for transporting it by car.

Also like the look of the Crossfuse but it seems very heavy and there are very few reviews to see whether it suffers from cut outs like the Crossfire.

 

[Powerbikes]

You sure you want a crank motor my understanding is that they're very difficult to replace

Not difficult, just expensive. But that's if you are lucky enough to have one break. They are pretty sturdy motors!

All motors have their pro's and cons but you shouldn't need worry about replacing them. The few that do break are normally under warranty.

 

[Gaz]

I've had my Whyte Coniston well over a year now and am still thoroughly enjoying it. Happy to recommend wholeheartedly:

https://www.rutlandcycling.com/bikes/electric-bikes/whyte-coniston-2017-electric-hybrid-bike-grey_368320?origin=pla&kwd=&currency=GBP&gclid=CjwKCAiA78XTBRBiEiwAGv7EKil__0Xt2CPYLLFaiPBd-5CmIggoIk8BzP5pyhO44m0jK82-hgsCfxoCuZgQAvD_BwE

Worth shopping around for best prices.

Gaz

 

[Mantis55]

Went to a local shop in Edinburgh today and tried out a few bikes, Giant, Ridgeback and Orbea. However the best by a mile was the Scott e-Silence 20 which he was prepared to let me have for £2599 which I think is a terrific price even if it’s a bit of a stretch. I checked around and it seems a good price, except that Rutland seem to be selling the same bike for 2199?

 

[Gaz]

Scott e-Silence 20

Fab looking bike for the money, IMO

Gaz

 

[Mantis55]

Felt sorry for the Edinburgh shop but they couldn’t come down any further, so I ordered the Scott from Rutland. £2199. Arrived today, delighted.

 

[Danidl]

Recently retired , asthmatic, my road/touring bike has hardly been out of the garage for the past 5 years as I just didn’t seem to be getting any benefit from the exercise. I used to do a fair bit of touring with panniers etc and just enjoyed going out for a run on the summer nights after work.

Recently bought a Crossfire-e from Halfords in the January sale, only risked £960 on it in case it wasn’t for me. Loved the bike but encountered technical problems and other limitations so I got a refund and am willing to spend up to about £2.3k on something better quality with crank motor. I appreciate that bikes will drop in value and the advice is often to get a cheaper bike and replace it after a couple of years, but the cost is not a huge issue for me.

I’m looking for something with the ‘road bike’ appearance of the Crossfire, with 700c wheels or similar and disc brakes.
I don’t like the noise and friction of mountain bike tyres and don’t do much off-road stuff.

So far, been looking at Cube Cross, Ridgeback Cyclone and Kalkhoff Voyager/Endeavour.

Swaying towards the Ridgeback because of the lower weight (never did learn the weight of the Crossfire but it felt bloody heavy lifting it). I imagine 3-4kg on an e-bike is significant, not so much for cycling but for transporting it by car.

Also like the look of the Crossfuse but it seems very heavy and there are very few reviews to see whether it suffers from cut outs like the Crossfire.

Look at the Raleigh motus. I've done 2000km in 15 months , one puncture, no faults.
All those ebikes are heavy beasts, but you can appreciate the stability going downhill at 50 km hr..
If transporting by car get a towehitch mounted carrier. Your back will thank you.... And remove the battery and the display before transport. ..

 

[Egret]

Felt sorry for the Edinburgh shop but they couldn’t come down any further, so I ordered the Scott from Rutland. £2199. Arrived today, delighted.

... and, sadly, that's why the Edinburgh shop won't be around when you need servicing.

 

[Ducknald Don]

I wonder if we will end up with the major bike manufacturers having regional showrooms and selling direct, much like Apple do in the computer/phone world.

 

[grazie]

Went to a local shop in Edinburgh today and tried out a few bikes, Giant, Ridgeback and Orbea. However the best by a mile was the Scott e-Silence 20 which he was prepared to let me have for £2599 which I think is a terrific price even if it’s a bit of a stretch. I checked around and it seems a good price, except that Rutland seem to be selling the same bike for 2199?

Why do you rate the Scott so highly? I'm straight away put off by the forks. Not tried any of the above, but the Orbea Gain (not sure if that's what you tried) looks and sounds terrific on paper.

 

[Mantis55]

You have to understand that my touring bike was built by myself about 1981 and I’ve been coping with 1981 components such as centre-pull brakes and campagnolo levers on the down tube with only friction and my ears to guide me
As a result I don’t know one pair of forks from the next. But of the 4 bikes I tried, the Scott seemed to have more pep in the Brose motor which was very smooth. It was also way more expensive than I had budgeted for but once I had tried it, it was just a better ride than the other 3 and had a quality feel to the components. The Ridgeback was a disappointment as I thought I’d probably buy one. The Giant was a bit like the Ridgeback but I’ve forgotten the model now. The Orbea was a non starter as it had balloon tyres and the dealer just let me try it for the contrast. I have to say my original Crossfire bike from Halfords was great to ride as well, even though it was very cheap.

However there’s another chapter to add. The Scott turned out to be faulty - it wouldn’t charge. Unbelievably I was sent another Scott which turned out exactly the same (definitely a new bike and not the same one returned).
So tomorrow I’m taking delivery of a Kalkhoff I10 at no extra cost. I have to say Rutland have been excellent but I probably deserve a kicking on here for not buying local.

 

[flecc]

So tomorrow I’m taking delivery of a Kalkhoff I10 at no extra cost. I have to say Rutland have been excellent but I probably deserve a kicking on here for not buying local.

Nice, but are you aware that this is a 350 watt speed pedelec with a rear number plate mount for when you register it as an L1e-B moped?

It also needs to have motor insurance and a moped driving licence is necessary.
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[Mantis55]

Nice, but are you aware that this is a 350 watt speed pedelec with a rear number plate mount for when you register it as an L1e-B moped?

It also needs to have motor insurance and a moped driving licence is necessary.
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What, this?
https://www.kalkhoff-bikes.com/en/bikes/2018/e-bikes/e-trekking/kalkhoff-integrale-advance-i10.html

 

[flecc]

What, this?
https://www.kalkhoff-bikes.com/en/bikes/2018/e-bikes/e-trekking/kalkhoff-integrale-advance-i10.html

When I looked up the I10, this was what Kalkhoff showed:

https://www.kalkhoff-bikes.com/en/bikes/2018/e-bikes/e-trekking/kalkhoff-integrale-speed-i10.html

Somewhat different and confusing with the same model number. Your link doesn't seem to say UK legal or if it's 250 watts, but it probably is so you are ok.
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[Mantis55]

When I looked up the I10, this was what Kalkhoff showed:

https://www.kalkhoff-bikes.com/en/bikes/2018/e-bikes/e-trekking/kalkhoff-integrale-speed-i10.html

Some what different and confusing with the same model number. Your link doesn't seem to say UK legal or if it's 250 watts, but it probably is.
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It's what Rutland recommended to replace the Scott, so I guess it better be.
I'm on first name terms with the DX delivery man as it is.

 

[flecc]

It's what Rutland recommended to replace the Scott, so I guess it better be.
I'm on first name terms with the DX delivery man as it is.

The one you showed with no rear number plate mount will be ok for the UK, just like the Scott.
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[Mantis55]

Why do you rate the Scott so highly? I'm straight away put off by the forks. Not tried any of the above, but the Orbea Gain (not sure if that's what you tried) looks and sounds terrific on paper.

It looks a lovely bike tbf.