Cytronex Bikes

[Spornofthedevil]

Hi guys,

I'm slowly narrowing my search down for the perfect ebike, I'm just wondering if anyone has purchased a bike from Cytronex?

I've had a long chat on the phone with them and they were very helpful, hoping to go for a test ride on one at the weekend - a long drive though.

I also asked them if they would be prepared to convert my virtually new Trek FX7.5 - they said this is something they would be prepared to do, very tempted to go this route. A little concerned about the low power battery, but I guess I can always get a second.

Any comments, good and bad would be much appreciated.

Cheers,
Jay

 

[eddieo]

The new Daahub kit from wisper is looking very interesting and due here May? Powerful and neat Dapu motor, and 9 Ah battery, with choice of a smaller one if you wish, so no concerns with range.... Plus the excellent wisper reputation as well... I am in 2 minds whether to go for this and a lighter bike or stick with a integrated e bike

D a a H u b By Wisper Wisper Electrifies Cycling

E Tim on here has 2 cytronex bikes...probably worth a PM

 

[flecc]

We have some keen Cytronex owners in here, but it's not an e-bike for everyone. On the plus side it's by far the most free running of e-bikes since it's Tongxin Nano hub motor uses roller drive rather than internal gears. With the motor off it's very close to being a normal bike, so by treating it as one and using the battery sparingly the range can be quite good. For most good cyclists it's about 20 miles, but if the motor is used full time it can drop well below that. Powerful cyclists can get quite close to 40 miles, but that's exceptional.

The downside is that the Nano motor has given some trouble and it does seem to be on the fragile side. It's essential to pedal off the mark without power and then cut in the motor to help, rather than expecting the motor to pull from a standstill.
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[Spornofthedevil]

Thanks for the replies, I might drop E Tim a PM to see what he thinks.

I would definitely be interested in the Daa hub, but would rather be up and running in the next couple of weeks.

I've also had a bit of a chat with Banbury Frank, I've yet to come across the Nine Continent motor and can't really find too much info on them. Any experience of them?

This is what he's offered me:

48 volt Lithium -ion 15 AH rack mounted rear motor kit including rack
Battery weight 5.5 Kilos
Nine Continent motor with 7 speed or 8 speed cog
18 mosfet controller low power setting 15 MPH high power 24 MPH
4 amp charger

Will do your Journey but will need to recharge at work - 4 Hours

Should fit your Trek. £995 + delivery we can fit in Banbury £100

Cheers again for the replies,
Jay

 

[NRG]

You can read more about 9C motors here on their web site:

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These motors are direct drive types and are larger and heavier than the geared Bafang type motors. 9C seem to be very popular in North America and Australia and over on the Endless-Sphere forum there's a lot of discussion. Being a direct drive motor there's no freewheel so without power they are not something you would want to ride on for very long.

IMHO at £995 I would seek out an Ezee kit, the motor is lighter and easier to ride without power plus Ezee have a wide choice on motor and battery combinations, member Aldby is currently setting up an Ezee distribution and installation company so maybe drop him a PM.

Edit: Link eZee electric bicycles: kit

 

[Spornofthedevil]

You can read more about 9C motors here on their web site:

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These motors are direct drive types and are larger and heavier than the geared Bafang type motors. 9C seem to be very popular in North America and Australia and over on the Endless-Sphere forum there's a lot of discussion. Being a direct drive motor there's no freewheel so without power they are not something you would want to ride on for very long.

IMHO at £995 I would seek out an Ezee kit, the motor is lighter and easier to ride without power plus Ezee have a wide choice on motor and battery combinations, member Aldby is currently setting up an Ezee distribution and installation company so maybe drop him a PM.

Edit: Link eZee electric bicycles: kit

Many thanks for the reply, having read several posts about conversion kits this one has come up multiple times, and seems well regarded.

I did a few searches for them and struggled to find a complete kit for sale in the UK. Looks like it would do what I want it to and it's cheaper than a lot of the other kits I've found online.

Cheers,
Jay

EDIT: Found one from your link - eZee Electric Bike kit

 

[NRG]

If you didn't want to spend as much as that and could get by with a limited range of options then the Alien Bafang kit is worth considering (they also have the MagicPie kits) or for even less the Sunlova kits...

alienocean.co.uk

Electric Scooter, Electric Bike, Electric Cycle from Sunlova

 

[Spornofthedevil]

If you didn't want to spend as much as that and could get by with a limited range of options then the Alien Bafang kit is worth considering (they also have the MagicPie kits) or for even less the Sunlova kits...

alienocean.co.uk

Electric Scooter, Electric Bike, Electric Cycle from Sunlova

Those kits looks very good value for money, thanks for the link! I like the idea of the 1000w motor, but a little worried about the legalities. What are the penalties for using a bike with one of these kits fitted? To be honest, I very much doubt I'd be comfortable travelling to work anywhere close to 30mph on a bike anyway - it would just be nice to have the extra power available if I'm not on a public road.

Do you know of many people who have fitted them?

 

[NRG]

No, sorry, I should have made it clear I meant the legal kits..... for obvious reasons!

 

[jerrysimon]

Numerous posts on here if you do a search about exceeding the legal requirements.

Why not start with one of the cheaper legal kits NRG linked to, especially if you want to use it to commute too and from work. I started with one of these kits and have not looked back. It transforms your daily commute by car, if that is what you are doing.

Ps here is a link to my first kit, one of the Alien ones listed.

Regards

Jerry

 

[flecc]

What are the penalties for using a bike with one of these kits fitted?

Although the chances of being stopped are very small, the consequences could be serious. You'd basically using an unregistered, unlicenced and uninsured vehicle on the road. Among the penalties for that can be confiscation and destruction of the bike and a driving ban, enforced on any current or future licence.

If the stop was in connection with your colliding with someone and seriously injuring or killing them, the seriousness could escalate, even to the point of a prison sentence.

As said, the chances of any of these happening are miniscule, but it's as well be aware of how bad things could get.
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[jerrysimon]

Flecc admit it you have that typed up somewhere and just cut and paste right

Just to add when I first got into ebikes, I was initially looking at little petrol motors to go on a push bike, again highly illegal and way more obvious that I would be breaking the law. I am glad I never went down that route.

Regards

Jerry

 

[HarryB]

We have some keen Cytronex owners in here, but it's not an e-bike for everyone. On the plus side it's by far the most free running of e-bikes since it's Tongxin Nano hub motor uses roller drive rather than internal gears. With the motor off it's very close to being a normal bike, so by treating it as one and using the battery sparingly the range can be quite good. For most good cyclists it's about 20 miles, but if the motor is used full time it can drop well below that. Powerful cyclists can get quite close to 40 miles, but that's exceptional.

The downside is that the Nano motor has given some trouble and it does seem to be on the fragile side. It's essential to pedal off the mark without power and then cut in the motor to help, rather than expecting the motor to pull from a standstill.
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As an ex cytronex rider I can agree with what Flecc says. I am a bit confused that you would even be considering a 1000w system at the same time as the cytronex. The two are so far apart - the cytronex being the nearest thing to a unpowered bicycle as you can get - even more so than the panasonic bikes in my opinion. In comparison to the 10aH panasonics the range is not as far as the raw figures suggest.

 

[flecc]

Flecc admit it you have that typed up somewhere and just cut and paste right

Not this time Jerry! I've just checked and I don't have a file on this item so had to type it anyway as I've done each time previously. I will file it this time under illegal use now that you've prompted me, thanks.

E-bike file number 874.
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[banbury frank]

Hi Flecc

ILLEGAL Bikes our bike/ kits have a low powered switch if you unplug the high power setting Yes you have more than 250 watts but some heavy persons or very steep hills make smaller motors unusable

It is then 15 mph

that is as near legal as a lot off ebikes on sale most are over 250 watts

some peak at 600 watts

Everything you said about ILLEGAL motors applies if you buy a BMW 155MPH Or most cars on the road today

and go over 70 MPH

Quote a driving ban, enforced on any current or future license.

If the stop was in connection with your colliding with someone and seriously injuring or killing them, the seriousness could escalate, even to the point of a prison sentence.

If you where braking the speed limit the above applies


So by your reasoning all cars will be limited to 70 MPH

Frank

 

[flecc]

Not so Frank. I explained this five days ago, but here's the explanation again, showing that the two cases of cars and e-bikes are totally different:

Car drivers have to learn to drive, pass a test of competence including highway code questions to show they understand the law, they have to be insured to protect other's interests and they have to drive traceable registered vehicles, taxed to cover some of their costs to the community.

E-bike riders are a completely unknown, untested and untraceable group with nothing known or tested about their mental and physical competence. They are not insured to protect others interests and in the UK they can be as young as 14 years. Elsewhere there is no lower age limit. As such they cannot be let loose on unrestricted vehicles. Since bicycles are accepted to be safe for anyone, restricting to bicycle like performance makes sense and is consistent.
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[jerrysimon]

I am sure there is an echo in here

Regards

Jerry

 

[Spornofthedevil]

No, sorry, I should have made it clear I meant the legal kits..... for obvious reasons!

Lol! Is it something that's actively policed? Would it be legal to have something whereby you can switch it to off-road mode? I've tried an Ultra Motor A2B, I like the idea of the turbo button. How is this bike legal if it can do 20mph?

 

[flecc]

Lol! Is it something that's actively policed? Would it be legal to have something whereby you can switch it to off-road mode? I've tried an Ultra Motor A2B, I like the idea of the turbo button. How is this bike legal if it can do 20mph?

It isn't. It's one of a few bikes that are obviously illegal in use but still sold here, relying on the lax administration of the law.

The crucial words there are "in use". It's not illegal to sell them, just as it's not illegal to sell shotguns. It's the usage and licencing that counts.

If a switch under rider control is available for the rider to break the law, they are riding an illegal bike which can be confiscated and destroyed.
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[flecc]

I am sure there is an echo in here

Regards

Jerry

As you see from the ongoing request for clarification, it was worth repeating, and I'm sure it will be necessary in the future, ad nauseum.
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