Cyclist assaulted by bus

flecc

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Thank goodness for closed circuit TV, without it I doubt this out of personal control driver would have been convicted, or even maybe arrested. He's very lucky he wasn't charged with attempted murder.
 

david1949

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It is now time that cyclists and traffic should be separated and the cycling laws in the UK to be overhauled and all cyclists must be made wear safety helmets + high visibility vests and all bikes to have a bell and a mirror as well front and back lights and there should be a day time running light on all bikes. Also when i am out in the car i see some cyclists doing some crazy things but having said that this Bus driver should have had his license took off him for 4 to 5 years and made resit his driving test again.
 

funkylyn

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I can hardly believe my eyes......and then the comment about it being time to treat cyclists like 'humans' instead of just 'flesh'.......Whats THAT all about.......do they think we are all just balls of flesh from the planet Zarg or something....what IS it with these people......we are only riding bikes for goodness sake......where has respect for other people gone these days....sometimes I despair.......thank goodness that poor man wasnt killed.......

Lynda :)
 

eddieo

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I was overtaking a bus on london road to croydon last summer, when I got half way along he decided to pull out and bullied me into the oncoming lane...I caught up with him and asked what he was doing and I have never seen a man with so much hate in his eyes...I would have killed him if I could of got hold of him...His opening shot was that I had no right to be on the road
 

Artstu

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Truly shocking, at the start of the video they look to be stopped, they must have had some sort of conflict prior to the incident, not that that's any excuse.
 

johnc461165

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Must agree with Artstu you can see the biker riding in front of the bus blocking his path, still no excuse for doing what he did.
Am I allowed to call him a maniac these days because that's what he is.
 

Atmosphere

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Being in Bristol we got a lot on the local news about this last night.
Turns out the cyclist had been cut up earlier by the bus which turned into a shouting match and the cyclist pulling in front of the bus pulling his wiper blades. Then it moved onto the incident on the video.

Truly appalling scene and I am glad the cyclist got away with only a few broken bones as it looks like it could have been so much more
 

overlander

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But if you look at the most recommended comments on sky news at the bottom of the article you will see the general population side with the bus driver !
 

mike killay

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This happened to me years ago on a low powered moped going up a hill, I pulled out and started to pass a stationary bus, half way along, he stuck his hand out of the side window and pulled away forcing me across the center of the road. This action was quite common among Swansea bus drivers at the time. When I got a car, they would do the same thing knowing that a car would out accelerate them and get in front. What they were doing was illegal, I used to take great pleasure in giving any offenders a long loud blast on my horn and cut in in front of them.
 

eddieo

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But if you look at the most recommended comments on sky news at the bottom of the article you will see the general population side with the bus driver !
But dont they always..I listened to a piece on LBC last week with the female presenter (who's views were appalling) and all callers were so anti bike it was astonishing......
 

amigafan2003

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It is now time that cyclists and traffic should be separated and the cycling laws in the UK to be overhauled and all cyclists must be made wear safety helmets + high visibility vests and all bikes to have a bell and a mirror as well front and back lights and there should be a day time running light on all bikes. .
Yes, because all of those would have stopped this incident happening :rolleyes:
 

danfoto

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It is now time that cyclists and traffic should be separated and the cycling laws in the UK to be overhauled and all cyclists must be made wear safety helmets + high visibility vests and all bikes to have a bell and a mirror as well front and back lights and there should be a day time running light on all bikes.
Quite right. Keep the buggers in their place, that's what I say ...
 

z0mb13e

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But if you look at the most recommended comments on sky news at the bottom of the article you will see the general population side with the bus driver !
Wow - if the comments on sky news are anything to go by, we have a long, long way to go before cyclists are given the consideration their vulnerability requires.
 

flecc

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Wow - if the comments on sky news are anything to go by, we have a long, long way to go before cyclists are given the consideration their vulnerability requires.
Britain is an anti-cycling country and has been for quite a long time now. An enforced cycling country in and after World War 2, from the start of the 1960s there was a mass exodus to first scooters, then cars, to the point when cycling all but completely disappeared by the late 1970s. With motor traffic having it all their own way on the narrow roads in our small country, the drivers got used to the freedom.

So when there there was a resurgence of cycling in the 1980s with the mountain bike craze, which in turn created a renewed interest in other cycling forms and a continuing expansion in cycling, motorists resented these "new" intruders who got in the way and held up their progress.

In the cycling countries of mainland Europe, despite some decline, cycling didn't almost disappear as it did in Britain between the 1960s and 1980s, so they haven't suffered in the same way and their authorities have been more sympathetic.
 

danfoto

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Wow - if the comments on sky news are anything to go by, we have a long, long way to go before cyclists are given the consideration their vulnerability requires.
Strict liability would be a big help, but alas that's never going to happen in England.
 

daudi

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Strict liability would be a big help, but alas that's never going to happen in England.
I used to work for an NGO where advocacy and campaigning was an important part of our work. Does anyone know if any organisation is campaigning for strict liability in the UK?

It won't happen overnight, but a sustained campaign can be effective. It would need evidence, appropriately worded materials and relentlessly sending out the key messages via different media.

From what I've read here recently it seems that this is the single most fundamental change that is needed. Yes, people would fight against it, but that's no reason to give up before we start. Even it takes five years, that would still mean that in due course cycling would be safer and more pleasurable in the UK.



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Britain is an anti-cycling country and has been for quite a long time now. An enforced cycling country in and after World War 2, from the start of the 1960s there was a mass exodus to first scooters, then cars, to the point when cycling all but completely disappeared by the late 1970s. With motor traffic having it all their own way on the narrow roads in our small country, the drivers got used to the freedom.

So when there there was a resurgence of cycling in the 1980s with the mountain bike craze, which in turn created a renewed interest in other cycling forms and a continuing expansion in cycling, motorists resented these "new" intruders who got in the way and held up their progress.

In the cycling countries of mainland Europe, despite some decline, cycling didn't almost disappear as it did in Britain between the 1960s and 1980s, so they haven't suffered in the same way and their authorities have been more sympathetic.
I think that's a pretty fair assessment. I reckon as the economic situation starts to bear (it's going to get a lot worse yet) and fuel prices go up further, more and more wil turn to cycling. However, it'll have to go a very long way until it has the critical mass to bring about the necessary changes. Probably bird flu will wipe us all out or Yellowstone Park will blow before that happens.
 

flecc

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I used to work for an NGO where advocacy and campaigning was an important part of our work. Does anyone know if any organisation is campaigning for strict liability in the UK.
All the cycling organisations as you'll see on this Google link.

However, there's a critique, which if not still first in that Google list is on this link, and it argues for Sustainable Safety instead.