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I've had hypothermia in -20c and i can attest its probably not such a bad way to go.
You start off shaking with the cold and thats quite unpleasant, teeth chattering etc, then the shaking stops and you feel ok and start to drift off to sleep. It's the sleep you dont wake up from though. I consider myself lucky to have had it noticed and action taken(hospital)
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Yeah - I used to do high level, winter camping and cross country, mountain skiing expeditions forty years ago. I and my associates tried rather hard to avoid hypothermia, while putting ourselves in the ideal position to die from it. I had the feeling a few times that it wasn't very pleasant. The chattering teeth and uncontrollable shivering all night long which stops you getting even near to sleep, I am well familiar with from lying in a bag on a snow drifted hillside. It wasn't nice, and neither was my experience of cold water immersion during winter canoeing upsets. I can think of better ways to shuffle off this planet.
 
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That film explains why some of us here see the same issues rather differently. AI may be manipulating your news feed, who you hear, and what you think.
 
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i cant wait for star ship landing lessons :p


fkn computer never had enough ram lol ;)
 
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How anti-vaxxers have been brainwashed (complete film):


 
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How anti-vaxxers have been brainwashed (complete film):
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An interesting research paper was published some weeks ago looking into the demographics of vaccine hesitant people.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf

They found that on average, the two most hesitant groups were at the two extremes of the education scale. People with very little education, and people with PhD's
Plausible reasoning being that PhD's were generally able to think for themselves and were able to correctly analyse data for themselves and thus could see that something was very wrong with the current narrative.
The lesser educated came from the 'school of hard knocks', were street wise, and their families had learnt through bitter experience that governments are not to be trusted (plus some generally lower income ethnic groups have a history of being abused in medical trials)

The least vaccine hesitant were the people with a reasonable level of 'standard education'. Make of that what you will, but it has been suggested that these are the people who THINK they are intelligent enough to make sense of presented information, but in reality, the people doing the presenting are very clever manipulators, and thus it is this demographic who are most susceptible to being brainwashed and taken in by scientific sounding propaganda when it comes from 'official' sources such as Governments and Health organisations.

Its an interesting paper. Read it and do some web trawling to see discussion on it.
The problem is, I imagine the majority of people here will actually fall into the 'standard education' category, thus by definition, there is a strong probability you have a tendency to be taken in by disguised propaganda, but don't actually poses the analytical tools and/or intellect to reason your way out of this. But very, very few people can see this, or are willing to acknowledge this even if they suspect its true.
Such is the nature of humanity.

I bet nearly everyone reading the above is thinking ... "yea ... some people are a bit dim like that .... but I'm lucky that it doesn't apply to me ..."
Dunning-Kruger strikes again ;)
 
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GLJoe said:
An interesting research paper was published some weeks ago looking into the demographics of vaccine hesitant people.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf

They found that on average, the two most hesitant groups were at the two extremes of the education scale. People with very little education, and people with PhD's
Plausible reasoning being that PhD's were generally able to think for themselves and were able to correctly analyse data for themselves and thus could see that something was very wrong with the current narrative.
The lesser educated came from the 'school of hard knocks', were street wise, and their families had learnt through bitter experience that governments are not to be trusted (plus some generally lower income ethnic groups have a history of being abused in medical trials)

The least vaccine hesitant were the people with a reasonable level of 'standard education'. Make of that what you will, but it has been suggested that these are the people who THINK they are intelligent enough to make sense of presented information, but in reality, the people doing the presenting are very clever manipulators, and thus it is this demographic who are most susceptible to being brainwashed and taken in by scientific sounding propaganda when it comes from 'official' sources such as Governments and Health organisations.

Its an interesting paper. Read it and do some web trawling to see discussion on it.
The problem is, I imagine the majority of people here will actually fall into the 'standard education' category, thus by definition, there is a strong probability you have a tendency to be taken in by disguised propaganda, but don't actually poses the analytical tools and/or intellect to reason your way out of this. But very, very few people can see this, or are willing to acknowledge this even if they suspect its true.
Such is the nature of humanity.

I bet nearly everyone reading the above is thinking ... "yea ... some people are a bit dim like that .... but I'm lucky that it doesn't apply to me ..."
Dunning-Kruger strikes again ;)
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It's a similar demographic in cults.
 
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That's hypothetical:

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Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia

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that's dwp work coach training pmsl they have great expectations like the 35hr job search but cant enforce it with law and sanction you for not complying to there demands cos there full of shite and they think you are to stupid to fight back ;)
 
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that's dwp work coach training pmsl they have great expectations like the 35hr job search but cant enforce it with law and sanction you for not complying to there demands cos there full of shite and they think you are to stupid to fight back ;)
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www.theguardian.com

Covid: 37% of people have symptoms six months after infection

A large study reveals the scale of long Covid, with symptoms affected by sex, age and severity of infection
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OnMedica

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Incidence, co-occurrence, and evolution of long-COVID features: A 6-month retrospective cohort study of 273,618 survivors of COVID-19

Maxime Taquet and colleagues investigate the incidence, co-occurrence and evolution of long-COVID features in more than a quarter of a million people.
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GLJoe said:
An interesting research paper was published some weeks ago looking into the demographics of vaccine hesitant people.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf

They found that on average, the two most hesitant groups were at the two extremes of the education scale. People with very little education, and people with PhD's
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> two most hesitant groups
That's wrong.
> two most hesitant 'education level' groups
is correct.

Rather than focus on just education* as you did, I'd say their mini-summary on page 12 is sensible:
- Further investigation into hesitancy among those with a PhD is warranted.

That's a good open suggestion, rather than trying to over-analyse it.
Maybe you fall into the demographic** you described in your post? ;)


*Comparison of two sets of data from the paper - the education one you focused on, and also location/where you live:

From page 17 showing percentage of people that are 'hesistant':

Education level
≤ High school 92557 17.5 20.8% (20.4, 21.1) 1.88 (1.83, 1.93) 1.56 (1.52, 1.60)
Some college 167096 31.5 18.3% (18.1, 18.6) 1.66 (1.62, 1.70) 1.37 (1.34, 1.40)
Bachelor’s 110944 20.9 11.0% (10.8, 11.3) 1.0 (NA) 1.0 (NA)
Master's 62862 11.9 8.3% (8.1, 8.6) 0.75 (0.72, 0.78) 0.90 (0.87, 0.92)
Professional (e.g., JD) 14970 2.8 12.3% (11.6, 13.0) 1.12 (1.05, 1.18) 1.09 (1.04, 1.15)
PhD 10969 2.1 23.9% (22.7, 25.1) 2.16 (2.05, 2.28) 1.20 (1.14, 1.25)
Missing 70260 13.3 23.9% (23.5, 24.3) 2.16 (2.10, 2.22) 1.18 (1.10, 1.25)

And for perspective, from page 18, where you live has a similar range of differences (climbing nicely linearly as it happens):

County urban classification
Large central metro 120722 22.8 11.7% (11.5, 12.0) 1.0 (NA) 1.0 (NA)
Large fringe metro 115854 21.9 14.3% (14.0, 14.5) 1.22 (1.18, 1.25) 1.03 (1.01, 1.06)
Medium metro 138457 26.1 16.8% (16.5, 17.1) 1.43 (1.39, 1.47) 1.13 (1.10, 1.16)
Small metro 57778 10.9 21.0% (20.6, 21.5) 1.79 (1.74, 1.85) 1.18 (1.15, 1.22)
Micropolitan 49266 9.3 24.2% (23.7, 24.7) 2.06 (2.00, 2.12) 1.19 (1.15, 1.23)
Non-core 31472 5.9 27.4% (26.8, 28.1) 2.34 (2.27, 2.41) 1.23 (1.19, 1.27)
Missing 16109 3.0 33.0% (32.0, 34.0) 2.82 (2.71, 2.92)

We could have a fun (& misguided) discussion about whether PHDs live in the country, not in town...

**this demographic who are most susceptible to being brainwashed and taken in by scientific sounding propaganda when it comes from 'official' sources such as Governments and Health organisations.
 
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Maybe you fall into the demographic** you described in your post? ;)

**this demographic who are most susceptible to being brainwashed and taken in by scientific sounding propaganda when it comes from 'official' sources such as Governments and Health organisations.
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No need for a wink. I most certainly fall into that category. I have spent the vast majority of my life being deceived, lied to, manipulated, while all the time being oblivious to the vast majority of it. Such is the scope and deviousness of the deception, propaganda and social programming that goes on in our modern society.
Unfortunately, I wasn't born with the mental capacity to see through the deception all by myself, nor did I have anyone else around to explain it to me or to initially point me in the right direction.
 
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