Crunch time for the SRAM

flecc

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My poor Lafree Twist's SRAM P5 has departed this life. After years of extreme abuse hauling heavy loads on one and even two trailers at a time, one of the gear teeth decided it had had enough and made a break for freedom. Unfortunately it paused to socialise with the others on it's way out, there was an almighty punch up at the end of which there were more teeth scattered around than at the end of the day in an NHS dentist's surgery.

Never mind, by good fortune our friends at Wiggle Cycle were running a special offer on a new production batch of P5s due in, and adding a 10% discount at the time, a price of £84, £25 less than Fisher Outdoor. With the innards of that transferred the bike is already hard at work again.

SRAM owners such as Lafree Comfort users might like to note two small changes that have appeared since my original hub was purchased. One is a taper on the left hand inner block of the mechanism that doesn't affect us. The other change is to the right hand end of the spindle which might. The earlier design had a plain right hand spindle on which the clickbox thumb screw clamped, holding by friction. The newer design has a spindle with a groove in the end to positively locate the thumb screw end in a precise position.

Unfortunately this change stops the older clickbox in a position where the thumb screw locks on the outer actuator tube, resulting in only three change positions on the control and middle gear (direct drive) only in any position. A new latest clickbox comes as a complete unit with control and cable at another £38 typically, but that can be avoided by a simple expedient.

The old clickbox spindle recess has a step in it's plastic body which needs to be further recessed. Holding a 3/8" drill bit in a vice, mole wrench or similar grippers, the clickbox is turned against it's cutting edge until the drill tip just cuts the plastic to the surface of the outer steel actuator pawl of the pair that's visible inside the recess. That now permits the clickbox to be fully engaged on the spindle with the thumb screw engaging in the groove at the spindle end.

I've no idea when the change was introduced, but if when you undo the thumbscrew and remove the clickbox you see a groove on the end of the spindle, you already have the newer version. Mechanically in operational terms, the two versions are identical.
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nigel

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BY FLECC
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My poor Lafree Twist's SRAM P5 has departed this life. After years of extreme abuse hauling heavy loads on one and even two trailers at a time, one of the gear teeth decided it had had enough and made a break for freedom. Unfortunately it paused to socialise with the others on it's way out, there was an almighty punch up at the end of which there were more teeth scattered around than at the end of the day in an NHS dentist's surgery.

Hi flecc did you mean the gears in the hub or sprocket were shot maybe when they do my 5speed spram i will need to keep a watch on that but as you said you have been hauling heavy loads which i dont do unless you count a few shopping bags:) NIGEL.
 

flecc

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Yes it was the gears in the SRAM hub, but you won't have to worry Nigel, these hubs have a reputation for being unburstable in normal use. I think you'll agree my use isn't normal:

 

nigel

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yes thats impressive all that weight and the tiny twist motor:) PS it just go to show what good all rounder the twist is:D just out of intrest do you hold any traffic up with that load. NIGEL.
 

flecc

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Not at all Nigel. After half a mile I meet a set of lights usually at red, and typically for an electric bike, I'm still first away for the first few yards. I normally cycle it at about 15 to 17 mph for the next stretch and after a roundabout on a wide road I'm mainly on wide cyclepaths and a pair of Toucan crossings the rest of the three mile journey to the Waste and Recycling centre.
We're lucky in having some good cyclepaths here:

 

Flying Kiwi

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It looks like one of those photos of what they haul with bikes in China and the Far East, just a few chickens needed in there too ;) Were you tempted to get a P5 Cargo hub flecc? My 2006 Twist Comfort has the recess groove for Clickbox location although I see there's now an even newer, slightly different coloured twist grip shifter.
 

flecc

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I did consider the Cargo, but the 225% range losing that extra 25% put me off so I took the risk. I know of one cycle freight courier mob who wrecked three Cargos, so they may not be that much tougher. Four years of this abuse for £21 a year isn't bad though.

Where towing is concerned I'm a mere amateur compared with the Far East:

 

nigel

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WOW :confused: And no electric bike in sight even though its plastic bottles i watch out for them hills:) nigel
 

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Some of these photos would be great for an electric bike marketing campaign !
 

flecc

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They certainly would Russ. The forum didn't have very many active threads so I thought I'd add to the visitor interest with some pictorial entertainment!

I'd thought of Flying Kiwi's suggestion for a crate of chickens for my trailer, but this is England with animal welfare and the RSPCA and the cost of fabrication of six chicken size cycle helmets was prohibitive. :)
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flecc

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That's good Sav. As I said to Nigel, very little chance of that, the failure of mine was due to the gross load strains put on it over years, plus near zero maintenance. Although they don't need much, they do appreciate the clickbox being removed every two or three years and a few drops of oil drizzled into the spindle end to keep the actuator rods running smoothly and the grease a little moist. I had hardly bothered with such luxuries!
 

tgame

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For some months a few years ago a trishaw style enterprise was run in a local tourist area. This involved a massive two seater trailer behind a normal ie non electric, bike which was stoked by, wait for it, a dainty young lass! How she ever did it I shall never know. It didn't last long - perhaps she wore out her cogs.
 

flecc

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We've got around 350 pedicabs (cycle rickshaws) in London, all unpowered. Not something I'd want to pedal.
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