Crack Drive or Hub Motor

spiderno7

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I'm looking to commute from Sutton Coldfield to Stafford. I currently have an E-Bike with the hub motor and component striped from an Alien Ocean Aurora.

I'm looking to get a conversion as one of my options, as well as looking at buying a bike brand new.

My question this, should I buy an Hub Motor or Crank Drive conversion kit.

Important notes on the commute.... it's not flat.

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Nealh

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Both will manage the job though a hub may well provide a more leisurely ride at the end of a tiring day.
 

anotherkiwi

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Hmmm Bosch motors run on crack? :D Sorry couldn't resist...
 
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Mac_user82

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I'm looking to commute from Sutton Coldfield to Stafford. I currently have an E-Bike with the hub motor and component striped from an Alien Ocean Aurora.

I'm looking to get a conversion as one of my options, as well as looking at buying a bike brand new.

My question this, should I buy an Hub Motor or Crank Drive conversion kit.

Important notes on the commute.... it's not flat.

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Try a crank driven bike before you make any purchases
 

spiderno7

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I will do, I did try one a few years back and opt for a hub because of cost. Although I'm restricted with budget, the crank drive from Woosh looks a good package with the battery(15ah).

I can't help but notice that the top end MTB's have crank drives, which I understand for the hills, and many a suggestion in this forum suggest Woosh's system.
 

anotherkiwi

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I can recommend the GSM. It rides differently than a hub, not better, not worse. You really need to be in the right gear to get the most out of it. You are right to choose the 15 Ah battery, the GSM loves eating Amps! :D

Executive summary of what you need:

- a brake sensor is mandatory, there is some run on and the internal PAS is extremely sensitive to pedal movement which can be an issue if you are off the bike pushing it...
- I recommend the 104 BCD spider from precialps so that you can choose a different chainwheel or even mount two as I have done. I think the ideal chainwheel might be a 44 tooth. If you mount two, depending on your wheel diameter a big one for going fast on the flat and downhill and a 38 tooth will keep the motor happy in more difficult conditions or for cool relaxed riding around town. I have mountains and very steep ramps all around so am running a 42-32 tooth setup. The main 42 tooth I have spins out at about 47 km/h (I can still manage about 90 cadence despite my age) on a 28" wheel.
 
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A crank-drive bike just isn't as relaxing as a hub-motor on a long commute because you have to be in the right gear all the time. When I was commuting 30 miles a day, I tried both. I found that the hub motor was a lot better, especially in the winter when you have cold hands. All that gear-changing on the CD becomes very tedious, especially as they go with a bit of a bang each time.

Another obvious drawback of CD, is the much more frequent replacement of chains, cassettes and derailleurs. When you get a problem with any of them, you have to push the bike (sometimes carry) or order a taxi. With a hub-motor, you can still pedal or throttle home with no chain.

With a hub-motored bike fitted with Marathon Plus tyres and hydraulic disc brakes, you could probably do two years with nothing more than oiling the chain and the odd bike cleaning. My bike has done 4000 miles since I built it, and hasn't needed any more than that apart from one gear-cable broke which was used a used one that I bought from Ebay when I built the bike.

There's quite a few of us that have done these sort of commutes on hub-motored bikes, but I haven't really heard of anybody doing them with CD bikes. I think somebody mentioned using a BBS02. Maybe somebody that does can chip in with his/her experience.
 

Nealh

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The only commuter on here who had a build /ride thread going was Michael aka mfj197 in Guildford with BBS01, 20 miles each way.
Over 4 years my brother has been using his Panasonic Khalkhoff circa 14k miles now without issue but that is a totally different beast and ride being a TS cd.
 

D8ve

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I have done several thousand miles crank drive commuting.
I like the way the bike responds and had no real issues with chains.:)
Have had bbs01 fail and 4*4 stains :mad:on the Panasonic CD system.