Conhismotor electric bike

[cwah]

The seller keeps saying it can reach 40km/h even when I ask for confirmation.

He would say that - I doubt there is there a no quibble full money back guarantee on that claim.

Actually, for my first electric bike, the speed was awful: 13km/h. I asked seller to do something or change it and he didn't want to do that.

But I raised a claim via Paypal about the discrepancy between the bike description of 25km/h and the actual of 13km/h. Seller finally had to accept to take back the bike. Thanks Paypal

In this specific case, I hope that Conhismotor is not lying about that because he has built some reputation around his motor quality and bad reviews online can hurt badly his business.
I think of Busetti as perfect example of "broken business" by user reviews. Busetti pretends to have the best bikes (80 miles distance at 30+km/h...) but users give so bad feedbacks on these bikes that I didn't want to purchase their bikes (even though it would be my initial choice)

 

[tillson]

I just don't see the point about having an electric bike limited to 25km/h. I'm perfectly healthy and I'm fine with peddling at 20-25km/h.

The point is the law and to comply with it ebikes have to be limited to to this speed. All responsible ebike sellers and customers adhere to the law because they have the intelligence to realise that in doing so, they enjoy many privileges and easements over motor vehicle owners. No insurance, no VEL, no MoT and the ability to ride on cycle paths to name just a few. Legal ebike sellers and customers also have the intelligence to realise that if wide spread abuse of the law continues, then these privileges and easements may be lost.

The fact that you "want" to be propelled faster is no excuse at all. There is no way for you to do this on a machine that is still classed as a bicycle in this country. Your only option is a motor vehicle, a big dose of responsibility and a willingness to accept all the legal requirements which come with it. Anything short of this has the potential to damage the enjoyment of ebikes for others and that is irresponsible and also very selfish.

 

[cwah]

The point is the law and to comply with it ebikes have to be limited to to this speed. All responsible ebike sellers and customers adhere to the law because they have the intelligence to realise that in doing so, they enjoy many privileges and easements over motor vehicle owners. No insurance, no VEL, no MoT and the ability to ride on cycle paths to name just a few. Legal ebike sellers and customers also have the intelligence to realise that if wide spread abuse of the law continues, then these privileges and easements may be lost.

The fact that you "want" to be propelled faster is no excuse at all. There is no way for you to do this on a machine that is still classed as a bicycle in this country. Your only option is a motor vehicle, a big dose of responsibility and a willingness to accept all the legal requirements which come with it. Anything short of this has the potential to damage the enjoyment of ebikes for others and that is irresponsible and also very selfish.

Tillson, I'm perfectly responsible and my main goal for this bike is to save myself from vehicle waiting for me to go faster. In London, there are not many cycle paths so most of the time I ride on conventional car road.

There are many cyclists less discplined than me, they don't take consideration of the light signal or ride on the pavements. And a lot of cyclists are also riding at a speed higher than 25km/h.

Responsability is not just about bike speed, it's about general behavior. I respect and I'll respect all trafic signal and consider myself as a good cyclist that contribute to a good evolution of cycling perception.

Be sure I'll never have an accident because of an excess of speed. As additional comment, my goal is not to reach 50km/h, just 35km/h is enough. (max speed allowed in US/Canada I believe)

 

[tillson]

Tillson, I'm perfectly responsible and my main goal for this bike is to save myself from vehicle waiting for me to go faster. In London, there are not many cycle paths so most of the time I ride on conventional car road.

There are many cyclists less discplined than me, they don't take consideration of the light signal or ride on the pavements. And a lot of cyclists are also riding at a speed higher than 25km/h.

Responsability is not just about bike speed, it's about general behavior. I respect and I'll respect all trafic signal and consider myself as a good cyclist that contribute to a good evolution of cycling perception.

Be sure I'll never have an accident because of an excess of speed. As additional comment, my goal is not to reach 50km/h, just 35km/h is enough. (max speed allowed in US/Canada I believe)

To cite examples of other people's bad behaviour does not in any way lessen the offences committed by riding an illegal ebike. Neither does citing examples of the law in foreign countries with different legal systems to our own. The fact that people ride unassisted bikes at speeds greater than 25 km/h is also totally irrelevant, because as the law in this country stands, it is legal to do so.

You have to think of an ebike as a method of increasing your average pace by allowing you to go up hills or along the level faster than you might unassisted. An ebike is not a tax free, unregulated method of achieving motor vehicle speeds. Anyone who thinks otherwise is potentially damaging the reputation and ultimately the freedoms enjoyed by mainstream ebikers.

In fairness to you cwah, the bike which you are buying at least complies with motor power regulations. Unlike some of the monstrosities touted on here. And the speed only creeps just above the legal tolerance, but still illegal.

 

[indalo]

I just don't see the point about having an electric bike limited to 25km/h. I'm perfectly healthy and I'm fine with peddling at 20-25km/h. What I need is a vehicle fast enough and practical to carry.

To my knowledge, in the UK there is no e-bike light or fast enough. At least if I buy from this dealer the bike runs faster, can roll once folded and has 2 years warranty on the bike AND the battery. No dealer in the UK can provide that. (if so, just let me know)


I just cross my finger and hope the seller is not exagerating what he told me: Up to 40km/h (but I would largely accomodate 35km/h) and ability to roll once folded. (will make videos review)

Previously, I remarked that if you didn't understand why ebikes are limited in the way they are, there is plenty of material explaining why, some of it in the pages of this forum.

Tillson has reinforced the message about that legislation and I just wonder about how well you actually researched your bike requirements. Given what you said about your pedalling prowess, I really don't see why you need an ebike at all. You have dismissed mopeds and scooters because of the difficulty of parking. You want to be able to carry your bike on to public transport yet you want also to be able to ride at 35-40kph.

You made a point of the attraction a 2 year warranty has for you and you challenged readers to name any UK dealers who could match that. I don't know whether any can but I do know I'd rather have a 12 month guarantee from a reputable UK dealer than a 2 year one from some foreign-based supplier who sells on ebay.

I'm at a loss to understand why a half-decent folding bike from Halford's, (just for example) cannot satisfy your stringent demands, especially as you have told us you're a very responsible and disciplined rider therefore you wouldn't be using electrical assistance on your bike to achieve the illegal speeds you mentioned that your chosen bike is capable of. Of course, you may pedal to any speed you can manage without electrical assistance and if you are as fit as you have suggested, you won't even break sweat so the ebike is an irrelevance.

This thread has attracted far more attention than the premise of the original post merits and I'm guilty of continuing it but I think you do a disservice to the many ebike suppliers in the UK by putting your money in the pocket of some foreign businessman when I'm certain you would do better to buy here.

Many forum members have bought motors and kit components from abroad but that's because those items were largely unavailable for purchase, (or were simply too expensive,) in the UK until not so long ago. Those buyers are usually enthusiasts who can use hand tools and like the challenge of creating something rather than simply paying lots of money for an "off the shelf" product. Not too many buy complete bikes from abroad preferring, dare I say, the assurance provided by the small businesses in the UK who actually import and sell ebikes.

Having now said all I'm going to say on this subject, I sincerely hope your bike does everything you expect it to and provides you with exactly the answer to your extremely narrow criteria.

Good luck,
Indalo

 

[cwah]

Indalo, that's fine if you disagree with me. But just try to understand that some people just need a way to travel quickly in cities. If you think I don't need an electric bike, I believe you really don't understand what are my needs and neither understand the needs of true urban audience that live in shared flats (with stairs and limited available space).

My travels are multi-modals (bus/tube/train...) and 25km/h restriction is really too slow.
Just think if I was...
- Able to accelerate a bit more when the big bus/truck is behind me (and this bus can reach easily 50km/h), wouldn't that be less dangerous?
- Being able to cycle a bit faster on long car road (with all cars around me at 60-70km/h), wouldn't that be less dangerous?
- Being able to roll my heavy electric bike once I'm in the tube, wouldn't that be practical? (hard to find this type of electric bike in the UK)


My first electric bike was purchased from an UK seller, and actually it was so slowwww.... that I almost had an accident in the road due to my speed (13km/h). It was a big con.


Now I sincerely hope I don't get con (a second time) with this chinese bike. I'll make a report when I receive it and lessons will be learnt (and a lot of money wasted) if it's the case. Hope strongly it's not the case... Foot fingers crossed!!

 

[AndyOfTheSouth]

A most beguiling thread, as posters try to strike a balance between disheartening the OP and trying to help him enjoy his purchase when it arrives by tempering his hopes with reality. Also, giving honest guidance to prospective and as yet uncommitted buyers in the process.

The fantasy performance figures have been addressed. No one has commented on the idea of it being suitable for 'multi mode' commuting. Eek!

I have a similarly sized folder, a Dahon Espresso. It is very useful to have a full size folding bike to put in the car, but it becomes a bit of a wrestling match if the boot isn't more or less clear. A 24 kilo version would be sumo rather than wrestling.

A 24 kilo suitcase is manageable because it is a regular shape and has smooth sides. This means that it can be carried close to the body and will slide easily over flat surfaces and alongside other cases.

A folded bike is irregular and has horrid pointy bits which makes it hard to carry and stack. The thought of carrying it through a station and trying to fit it into a luggage rack at rush hour.... Arrrghhhh!

As for rolling ability... Well, let's wait to hear. Making a folding bike which can be rolled as a package over short, smooth surfaces is one thing. Making one which can be held at a convenient height while pulling and is stable over significant differences on varying surfaces is quite another.

To sum up. This is an interesting-looking bike with a 24 volt system which should provide a very useful level of support at moderate speeds, over moderate distances, over moderate terrain at a, well, moderate price. Its folding ability will make it useful for weekend car trips.

 

[cwah]

Thanks for your comment Andy. I'm quite aware this is not the best bike... and it'll mainly be about compromises. I hope it's still going to be useful. Now you make me wonder about the rolling ability and how I'm going to carry it on the stairs when I'll be on the tube

But as a first real e-bike, it should be an enjoyable experience. (I hope)

And I'm already waiting for something really light and fast such as the "commuter booster"... These guys totally understand my commuting issues
Endless-sphere.com &bull; View topic - Commuter Booster - <1kg Friction Drive

 

[bazwaldo]

Hi cwah,
Good luck finding what you are after.
As far as flouting Ebike legalities goes it is an individuals choice whether or not they do so, I've seen plenty of posts on here of people who have purchased some of the Alien Ebikes with their "off road" capabilities - as long as they aren't too blatently over the 15mph limit I don't imagine the Police have the time or inclination to clamp down on these individuals. To an extent I agree with you that if the rider behaves responsibly and with consideration for other road users that is the most important thing.
My Bearprint Ebike and probably most others boosts me along above the 15mph restriction up to 17 or 18mph quite frequently but is within the legal guidelines as far as I know.
Also I am curious about the Ebike you purchased in the UK which proved to be so disappointing, can you give a link to it?
Best wishes,
Barry.

 

[cwah]

Yes, it was this e-bike I purchased:
eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace

He is not an official e-bike seller though.

ps: When I browse Endlessphere forum, I realize that speed limitation of 15mph is only relevant in this forum. In the other forum, they just say that bike limited to 15mph is for disabled people (not my word!!)

Best

 

[tillson]

Yes, it was this e-bike I purchased:
eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace

He is not an official e-bike seller though.

ps: When I browse Endlessphere forum, I realize that speed limitation of 15mph is only relevant in this forum. In the other forum, they just say that bike limited to 15mph is for disabled people (not my word!!)

Best

The 15 mph limit is not just relevant to this forum, it is relevant to all ebike owners in this country, you included. I wonder, if you do buy an illegal ebike, are you the sort of person who will use it illegally, hiding your own wrongdoing behind the legal ebike owners? Wanting to gobble up the freedoms of use ejoyed by the legal bike owner, whilst at the same time using what is effectively a motor vehicle? Or do you posses a sense of responsibility & honesty and will you tax, insure and type approve your bike?

The above may sound a bit petty, a bit nit-picky, but I enjoy ebikes. I enjoy them because of the unregulated freedoms that we are granted. OK, I wish they went a bit faster, maybe had a bit more power, but they don't and we all have to live with that. My concern is that people who are either too stupid to realise what they are doing, too stupid to research ebike law properly or who just have a selfish disregard for others, will attract unwanted attention and legislation from the authorities. This will then spoil the enjoyment of ebikes for others and that is plainly wrong.

I'm not sure if you are being deliberately controversial, or if you fit into one of the above categories.

 

[mike killay]

It is a bit like air rifles. You can have one as powerful as you like, but over a certain limit of power, it has to be registered and you have to be examined by the Police and licensed.
If you accept the ones that are under the limit, then there are few restrictions, no licences etc.
Now you can throw a stone with more force than a limited air rifle, but by analogy, are you seriously saying that because you can throw (pedal) greater than the limit, there is no reason to have the limit?

 

[cwah]

Tillson, I'm responsible and only wish the e-bike to bit slightly faster (35km/h). I'm not asking for 50km/h or more. I understand the risk implied of high speed and do not wish to take risk. I strongly believe that 35km/h max speed wouldn't create any harm. And would that finally give a reason for a lot of (healthy) people to see some advantages of electric bikes? (compared to the huge disavantage that is the price and added weight?)

Couldn't the law be a little be more flexible than the limit of 25km/h? 35km/h is it that dangerous?


And milkie, if I use the rifle metaphor, if you have an electric riffle that shoots at 25km/h, but you are playing against other "normal air riffles" that can shoot at 30 or 40km/h...
Wouldn't you be frustrated to have an heavy and expensive electric riffle than can't compete against normal cheaper and lighter air riffle?

I'm not saying we shouldn't have speed limit. We should DEFINITELY restrict the speed. But not at 25km/h. This speed makes e-bike a non-sense for healthy commuter.

The worse thing I've heard here is that because I'm healthy I don't need an electric bike.

But we all want electric bike to be more popular, more used, don't we?

ps: Law is law, I know, but please be more open minded.

 

[indalo]

I'm not saying we shouldn't have speed limit. We should DEFINITELY restrict the speed. But not at 25km/h. This speed makes e-bike a non-sense for healthy commuter.

The worse thing I've heard here is that because I'm healthy I don't need an electric bike.

But we all want electric bike to be more popular, more used, don't we?

ps: Law is law, I know, but please be more open minded.

I had fully intended to make no further comments on this thread but it really irritates me to read how the OP continually attempts to justify his assertion about the 25kph limit being too low.

Once again, I find myself in complete agreement with Tillson's comments so I'll avoid just repeating what's already been said.

I really think Cwah that you are entirely selfish and when you exhort readers to be more open minded, what you're really saying is, "Be more open-minded and let me do whatever the hell I like while you fools continue to observe a law that I don't agree with."

Clearly, in my view, you are one of those members of society who believe that rules are for the observance of fools and the guidance of idiots.

Each of us is free to choose how we behave in life. I choose to observe the laws of this country and I also try very hard to respect other people, whether or not I actually like them.

Indalo

 

[flecc]

I'm not saying we shouldn't have speed limit. We should DEFINITELY restrict the speed. But not at 25km/h. This speed makes e-bike a non-sense for healthy commuter.

I fully understand the point you are making cwah, but you are missing the point of the provision for e-bikes in law.

The crucial word is "assist", the legal provisions are to provide assistance to those who need it and the correct name for "e-bikes" is Electric Assist Pedal Cycle. It's facile to argue that many healthy cyclists can cycle much faster than 15 mph / 25 kph, the point is not to match the fitter cyclists and club sport cyclists, but to provide for the utility cyclists. These are the people who use their bikes as mixed purpose transport, shopping, taking a kid to nursery or towing nippers in a trailer, cycling to work locally etc.

This sort of cycling used to be very widespread in Britain many years ago and is still commonplace in much of mainland Europe, and the speeds of those unassisted cyclists is typically around 12 mph and hardly ever over 15 mph. That is what the legal provision is based upon in Europe, Japan and a number of other countries, it is not to provide assistance for those who perform better without assistance.

It may be helpful to know that much of the provisions for e-bikes are not in the form of a separate law setting out rules, the law is mainly an exemption from motor vehicle regulations with some speed and power restrictions to keep them from becoming motor vehicles. Europe's law which we will shortly be adopting in full makes this much clearer, since that only allows power when pedalling, banning throttle-only riding without pedalling.

There is no prevention of more power or more speed, just that such bikes have to be registered and treated as low powered motor vehicles, not as legal e-bikes.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

You lot! Leave Cwah alone. Whatever his ideas or intentions are, there's no way that 24v bike is going to be tearing around the streets annoying anyone, whether it's speed limited or not. It simply won't be powerful enough. Trust me! Sorry Cwah. Maybe the bike isn't limited on the speed, but you'll only get the additional speed (beyond 15 mph) going downhill or with a strong following wind, so you won't be going much faster than anybody else whatever the seller says. If I were you. I'd chuck the 24v batteries and put a set of 44v lipos in, then you'd get closer to what the seller is promising.

 

[oigoi]

Has been interesting to read this thread and follow peoples opinions. I dont know how the 25kmh was arrived at in the first place.

Another angle on things would be to maintain a 25kmh limit but allow more power so that 25kmh was maintained uphill also.

I do like the idea of having a more powerful class of ebikes that perhaps require registration and insurance but allow a higher power / speed.

Whenever you set a speed limit or draw a legal line in the sand like this there will be people who obey it and people who break it by varying degrees.

How many of you can say you never go faster than 70mph on a motorway?

We all have the choice of obeying laws or not. Those who choose to break laws need to do so knowing that if their actions affect others badly they will have to deal with that in their own conscience and the legal consequences in terms of prosecution.

When I was a less responsible youngster I drove around the place at breakneck speeds. Fortunately I didnt hurt anyone else but if I had done I know I would have had to deal with some bad consequences and perhaps the guilt of injuring or killing someone.

If I was going to buy an overpowered ebike and ride it at 50kmh I would have to do so considering the potential consequences.

Personally if I was going to have an ebike with more power I would just use the extra power to help get up hills quicker

 

[mike killay]

Another angle on things would be to maintain a 25kmh limit but allow more power so that 25kmh was maintained uphill also.

I do like the idea of having a more powerful class of ebikes that perhaps require registration and insurance but allow a higher power / speed.

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Personally if I was going to have an ebike with more power I would just use the extra power to help get up hills quicker

I agree about more power for hills within the 15 mph limit.
We do have a higher class for e-bikes. It is exactly the same for combustion engine bikes. All you need to do is buy/build one, register it which will involve VOSA inspection, tax, insure it, get a proper crash helmet, pass the motorcycle licence tests and away you go (But keep off cycle paths)

 

[Deleted member 4366]

Mike & Oigoi, you're too sensible. We all know that the torque of most "legal" ebikes is not enough to get the overweight and unfit couch potatos (like me) up a steep hill without risking a heart attack. It would be too easy to regulate and police, so we need something a lot more complicated to confuse everyone into submission

 

[tillson]

I do like the idea of having a more powerful class of ebikes that perhaps require registration and insurance but allow a higher power / speed.

This appeals to me too and I think that they have a similar system in Germany. Obviously the fewer regulations the better, but I think if anything like this were to happen here, insurance would be a minimum requirement. (The financial services lobby would make sure of that) I can't see our government adopting the German system though, there isn't anything of personal benefit for the MPs to hoover up.