Cleat problems - Shimano SPD

103Alex1

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New to using cleats and recently fitted SPD324 (flat/cleat dual-sided pedals - Shimano PD-M324 Pedal Reviews ) to my eBike, and the recommended SH-56 SPD multi-directional release cleats (Shimano Cleats SM-SH56 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com ) to Shimano MTB shoes.

This evening when I was turning into the driveway at home, right cleat would not release from the pedal and appeared jammed. I managed to stabilise without falling but had to remove the shoe (still attached to the pedal) to get off the bike. Nothing I tried using movement in any direction would shift the shoe from the pedal.

When I looked at the shoe, it seemed one of the cleat bolts had come loose / detached from the cleat hole, so the cleat was only attached to the shoe with one of the 2 bolts. I had used the cleat adaptor as per the instructions which came with the pedals when fitting the cleat to the shoe, but it did seem that the bolts were only just long enough to engage with the holes .. there didn't seem much engagement of the thread (but there is ample if you remove the cleat adaptor).

Long story short, managed to get the shoe off the cleat by twisting it round and then had to use tools to release the cleat from the pedal. The whole thing's made me a bit nervous about the system, but I do want to stick with using cleats and the shoes are a really good fit for me.

Does anyone have any experience to share on these sorts of problems with this system and whether it's safe to mount the cleats with no adaptor (the plate which sits under the bolts) ? Also whether it's normal for this sort of cleat to feel stiff at first (needing wearing in) or whether I should loosen the spring on the pedals.

Tried to get 3 local bike shops to explain more about fitting or let me test the pedals on a demo bike, but they seemed surprisingly unfamiliar with the SPD system (despite selling the pedals, cleats and shoes) and no-one had any facility for trying them out without buying. None of the shops carried shoes in my size range to try on (tried several models before finding the ones which were a good fit), so wound up having to buy off mail order (definitely no cheaper with the number of pairs which went back !!). So unfortunately all this also means no local dealer to consult.

Any help would be appreciated.
 

Cakey

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I use cleats on all my bikes. 7 and counting .
4 shoes and boots with spd on all .
They have to be very tight . I whip them really tight with long handled hex.
Make sure you have loosened off the release tension (pedal spring) to minimum setting before testing .
If they are tensioned too tight they can put excessive stress on the 2 bolts
 
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Cakey

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Just read your thread again .
The plate is only when fitting to non cleat shoes where you drill through the sole.
Attaching to sidi and shimano they are embedded in the sole with screw holes .
If you look under the cleat it has a serrated edge that ensures it does not slip.
I assume you used the adapter plate as well . Woops
Instructions are poor I admit .
None of my cleats attached to sidi shimano use the adapter
Some shoes have the holes and you fit the plate under the cushioned sole .
Infairness to shimano they give you the extra parts just in case non shimmy shoes
 
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TobyAnscombe

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Wot Cakey said..

I have the same pedals on both my bikes and a pair of Specialised MTB trainer-type shoes - bought a new pair of cleats last week but if your shoe already has the holes then you dont need the backplate.

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(random photo nicked off the web)

Do them up tight so that they cant move.

For the pedals - download the manual http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/SI/Pedals/PD_M324/SI-41N0G-001-ENG_v1_m56577569830663925.pdf and follow the instructions on the right hand side.

HTH.
 

103Alex1

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Make sure you have loosened off the release tension (pedal spring) to minimum setting before testing .

If they are tensioned too tight they can put excessive stress on the 2 bolts
They're at about 50% tension, which is pretty much as they came. I'm going to take the reflectors off to access the tension adjustment bolts and loosen a little - sounds like this may have contributed.

The plate is only when fitting to non cleat shoes where you drill through the sole.

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I assume you used the adapter plate as well . Woops
Instructions are poor I admit .
Yup ! Some things on the instructions (like the reflectors) are marked "optional", and Being one to follow things I'm unfamiliar with "to the letter" I assumed the plate was not ! ;) Sounds like that's what caused the problem. The threads were insufficiently engaged, so bolt attaching the cleat to the shoe came away as a result. Woops indeed - had a lucky escape there all in all, methinks. Won't make that mistake again :D

I have the same pedals on both my bikes and a pair of Specialised MTB trainer-type shoes - bought a new pair of cleats last week but if your shoe already has the holes then you dont need the backplate.

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Do them up tight so that they cant move.
Backplates binned and screws tightened ! Yes, the idea is to fit these pedals or similar ones ones to an older MTB I got as a second bike recently, so I can use the shoes on both - and off the bike too within reason. Some recessed-cleat option shoes are very well made. Trainer-type ones in sales were less than an average pair of 'smart trainers' and the vibram-soled hiking/Winter boots cost about the same as their 'regular' cousins. Needing new shoes anyway, decided it was time to 'make the switch'. Having tried out riding longer distances with cleats on a crank drive eBike a couple of times, wouldn't want to be without them now.

This forum is probably a cleat-free zone, with a few exceptions.
Sincere thanks to the "few exceptions" for their very helpful responses. :cool:
 

TobyAnscombe

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Heh - when I used to downhill some 20 years ago I used to use cleats as it kept the bike attached to me :D Wouldnt swap - first thing I did when I got my new bike was to swap out the pedals ;-) If you are serious and want to make it really easy then have a look at CrankBros Eggbeaters - my partner who used to to Tri's was wary about cleats ("How do I find the right bit to clip in to?") so a pair of eggbeaters solved the problem..

 

103Alex1

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Heh - when I used to downhill some 20 years ago I used to use cleats as it kept the bike attached to me :D Wouldnt swap - first thing I did when I got my new bike was to swap out the pedals ;-) If you are serious and want to make it really easy then have a look at CrankBros Eggbeaters - my partner who used to to Tri's was wary about cleats ("How do I find the right bit to clip in to?") so a pair of eggbeaters solved the problem..

Those look like they will definitely "encourage" learning fast ! Can imagine using them for XC or road biking but must admit I'd be a bit nervous not having any plate / clip-out option using them for MTBing. The idea of using those eggbeaters for downhill is quite simply terrifying !!! Someone did let me try out Candys when stationary a week or so ago and must admit they seemed easier than the SPDs I bought to get into (preferred the SPDs to unclip), but I'm determined to get my muscle memory used to clipping in to the SPDs, because they're so good when you're "in".

Had to raid a spare set of cleats for a replacement bolt (the original one which came loose must have fallen out somewhere :( ) and followed the advice above - the cleats were back on the same shoes without the backplate this afternoon and I had no problems :cool:. Still a bit stiff, so will remove the reflectors and ease up the pedal tension tomorrow - hopefully that'll tune them in just right. Thanks again for the help.
 

TobyAnscombe

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You will be amazed how quick you learn to move your heel first - after that it becomes second nature..

Set the tension really loose - there is no need to have it strong and you want it so that whenever you move your heel out (not up and down) that it disengages..

Trust me - its easier to do it than to type it:D:D
 

Hugh

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Seconded. You quickly get used to them -I've got them on 4 bikes and they're great because you don't have to wear cycling shoes all the time.

I go for about 1/3rd tension - keeps your foot in OK, but allows for a bit of movement so your knees don't get screwed.
 

103Alex1

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Thanks all - it's getting much more natural now after a bit of practice and clipping in/out in town traffic too, which is all progress in the right direction.

Heh - when I used to downhill some 20 years ago I used to use cleats as it kept the bike attached to me :D
Sorry - can't resist ... I have visions of this whenever I see downhill mentioned :

Insane Downhill Bike Race In Chile valparaiso polc 2011 - YouTube

At the start / end it seems that that the rider appears to be donning ... a pin-striped suit :D