Chargers?

7cfm

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Aug 18, 2011
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Apologies if this has been covered before. Are chargers from different electric bike manufacturers interchangeable provided that:-

The charger uses the same connector type
The charger is for the same voltage as the battery
The charger is for a lithium based bike battery (i.e. not NIMH etc)

The reason for asking is that my other half would like a charger to keep at work and charger prices range from £20 - £100
 

7cfm

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Aug 18, 2011
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Thanks d8veh. I have just checked my charger and 'Mrs 7cfms' charger, the output on mine is 36v / 3a and on hers its 42v / 1.8a, I'm not sure why the voltage on her charger is so much higher than mine? I am assuming the only difference the amps makes is how quickly it charges the battery?
 
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You can check the output with a voltmeter. 36V is too low even for lead batteries. Maybe they mean it's a charger for a 36v battery. The only sure way to tell is with a meter.
 

FJJ

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The charger is for a lithium based bike battery (i.e. not NIMH etc)
Note that different lithium chemistries have different charge voltages too e.g. LiMnCo / Lithium Ion has a different charge voltage to LiFePo4.

Let me know if you need a 42v 1.35A LiMnCo one as I have a spare at work and now have a LiFePo4 battery which charges at 45v (which is luckily big enough not to need charging at work as the LiFePo4 charger sounds like a plane taking off, the 42v one is silent).
 

kitchenman

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Jul 9, 2010
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..as the LiFePo4 charger sounds like a plane taking off ...
This is something that the CycleCharge need to consider. Members should check that a noisy charger will be ok. In a private dwelling this may be ok but in a cafe or pub or similar this may be a problem ...
 

vhfman

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Oct 5, 2008
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Continuing from FJJ notes:

In the case of “36v” batteries: Charging voltages for different lithium batteries depends on the individual cells chemistry of Lithium ion used in the battery. So in the case of LiMnCo, cells are nominally 3.7volts per cell, and are charged to 4.2 volts per cell. Batteries with this type of cell chemistry are made using 10 cells in series giving nominal voltage of 37v and a charge voltage of 42v.

LiFePo4 cells have a nominal voltage of 3.2-3.3v and are charged to 3.65v per cell. Because the cell voltage of LiFePo4 is lower, batteries are made with 12 cells in series; in this case, these batteries have nominal voltage of 39v and a charge voltage of 43.8v.

Of course “36v” batteries are often made with more than 10/12 series cells, because the individual cell capacity Ah rating is usually too low for pedelelec /ebike use, so more cells are added in parallel.

For LiMnCo; 20,30,40 cells i.e 10s2p,10s3p,10s4p etc. And LiFePo4 batteries 24,36,48 cells i.e. 12s2p,12s3p,12s4p etc. Paralleling cells does not increase the voltage but increases the batteries capacity Ah rating.

Commercial lithium batteries are made with built in Battery Management Systems BMS. Depending on the BMS used by different battery manufacturers, there could be differences in the functionality of the BMS; but basically they control the max voltage per cell/parallel cells (balance cell voltages), max voltage of the battery High Voltage Cutoff HVC and the Low Voltage Cutoff LVC for the cells and or battery.

Back to chargers; although the battery has a built in voltage management system the charger also has to have the correct values for the particular battery type. Charges need to have an output voltage which equates to the HVC of the battery. Lithium battery charges usually have a constant voltage/ constant current cv/cc output. As the battery approaches HVC the current demand from the charger will decrease towards zero amps. But chargers can also differ in the way they work at or near the fully charged battery state. Some shut down when the current demand is near to zero. But as the BMS does its job of balancing cell/parallel cell voltages, more current may be required and the charger will continue to supply a constant voltage until cell balancing has been achieved.

Lithium batteries should not be left on trickle charge for long periods. That is unless the charger is capable of isolating itself automatically from the battery; which is unusual with most of the commercial chargers supplied with batteries. It is therefore important to keep an eye on the length of time the battery is left charging.

Chris
 

7cfm

Pedelecer
Aug 18, 2011
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Thanks all, really useful information. I am still a bit confused about why my wifes charger output is rated at 36v when she has a lithium ion battery (battery and charger are ezee, 36 v is listed on the input/output rating sticker on the charger). Checking the cycleeze site they also list their ezee charger as "eZee smart battery charger 36v 4 amps". Is this duff info or is there something different about Ezee chargers?

FJJ - I nearly made the mistake of buying a cheap LiFePo4 charger, I will PM you about the charger, thanks
 

7cfm

Pedelecer
Aug 18, 2011
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OK mystery solved. I put a multimeter on the charger but the voltage reading was everywhere, however I noticed a part number on the charger. I looked up 'model hp1202l3' and according to the specs I found its actually 42v/2a. I am guessing a possible reason I could not get a voltage reading is that it also says "No Load Voltage: 0~41.5V Pulsed"