Celebration time, It's Europe Day today!
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I will reserve my celebration for the day we get out of this European quagmire of bureaucratic lunacy. I am sure that day will not be far off..
Yes, once more the day to celebrate the EU comes round again!
You kip if your want to, I prefer to stay awake. :
If we are not kicked out beforehand
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To be honest, I have never known much about politics. I have done a bit of reading lately as I try to follow the progress on the Tobacco products directive. If nothing else, it has confirmed my suspicions that the whole EU thing is a mess of corruption, vested interests, and people who claim to serve us being in it for the money. The interests of the "Lower Orders" are of no consequence to these politicians. I freely admit to voting UKIP in the local elections, basically as a protest against the status quo. Although the issue is very complex, i feel that we could well be better off outside Europe.
Never trust a politician.
If a politician says it's good, then it must be bad.
If a politician wants to ban something, it's only because he/she cannot figure any way to tax it.
They are the scum of the earth.
Where I live, we are groaning under the burdens and costs of the Welsh Government, The Westminster Government and the EU.
All of them snouters, trouserers and gravy train riders.
If a politician says it's good, then it must be bad.
If a politician wants to ban something, it's only because he/she cannot figure any way to tax it.
They are the scum of the earth.
Where I live, we are groaning under the burdens and costs of the Welsh Government, The Westminster Government and the EU.
All of them snouters, trouserers and gravy train riders.
Once, about 30 years ago and more, I was absolutely in favour of the EEC (as then was), reasoning that the countries of Europe should have closer ties and a deeper understanding of each other, and that could only be a good thing, right?
How naive I was, to believe that BS. It didn't take long before it all went to sheet. All we've done is create an army of bureaucrats who have no other purpose in life but to shuffle paper and press buttons and the people in nominal charge of them have no useful function either, so end up trying to justify their existence by creating more and more pointless laws in the name of the absurd process of homogenisation.
When the EC turned into the EU, that's when the rot really started, in my opinion. If we could turn the clock back, destroy the corruptors, dismantle the overly-officious burden of bureaucracy, sack the unelected Commisioners, scrap the Euro, and trim the snouts in the trough, then we might stand a chance of perhaps realising the original dream.
Dave I think your asking a little too much now, just settle for tuning back the clock, that's more in your power by turning the knob on the clock anti clockwise. The rest is pointless and out of your control.
Mountainsport.
This misunderstanding has always surprised me. In fact the original dream was a united Europe, founding members France and Germany pursuing that from the outset. From the very beginning, transport, the area that directly affects us, was intended to be harmonised and that has been repeatedly emphasized in subsequent EU treaties. Also the intention from day one was that Europe should be borderless, so in effect operating as a single unity.
It follows that with such major elements present, laws would have to be harmonised for the system to work, and the same would eventually have to happen with the various economies, so none of this has ever surprised me.
Of course the only way to administer the changes is politically, so politicians with all their well known faults would have to be present, but I've news for you. They always will be, no matter whether we go it alone or not.
Where Europe is concerned, I have my eye on the end objective, knowing full well that long journeys are always difficult and fraught with problems. In my view that end objective of a single country called Europe is the only certain way to ensure a permanent position of true strength, safety and prosperity in this world of giants.
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Joining the EU was neither bad nor good. What is bad is how all the politicians, lawyers and bureaucrats use it as a cash-cow. They're not interested in anything other than ways they can optimise the systems for extracting the most money for themselves at our expense.
I blame the Romans, Saxons, Normans, Plantagenets, Tudors, Stuarts, and finally Ted Heath.
Better to be ruled by one tier of lunatics rather than two
All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?Oh come on
What have the Romans ever done for us?
They made a single currency, common law, borderless European Union work for four hundred years, and it didn't fail even at the end of that. It was the Romans themselves that failed, not the system.
That union was so large that it included whole chunks of Africa and the Middle East. If they could make that work in those times of primitive communications, surely we can with our little version and modern facilities.
BUT,
The Romans only made it work by using force and cruelty. It was never a European Union, it was a Roman Empire.
Modern Europe has the problem of vastly different cultures and remnants of religion to contend with, all in an allegedly free society.
Many people, including myself, do not want to lose our national identity and become swallowed up by the Euromonster.
The force and cruelty were of it's time, the cultures are still very different even today and the religions even more diverse now, due to migrants.
As for our national identity, it's largely disappeared in vast swathes of the country, and the trend is inexorably towards greater loss. The main European countries now contain many hundreds of thousands of the British while we have equally large numbers from their countries living here. London for example is France's fifth largest city electorally. These processes, together with the internet and the increasing universality of the English language are creating a common Europe whether anyone likes it or not. They are unstoppable forces, so better we cooperate to guide the process rather than let it develop uncontrolled.
We in Britain will never be part of a Federal Europe or be pushed towards it, that is something that has stayed a constant during our membership. Personally I do not think the EU has a future in the long term and will disintergrate under the weight of bureaucracy and indecision that seems to part of the painful process of administration. I expect sometime in the future Germany will seriously consider it position as a member when it realizes that it can not payroll further failing errant members of the eurozone.
http://www.realclearworld.com/2013/04/17/europe_on_the_road_to_collapse_147266.html
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Romans mostly ******ed off. Saxons mostly ******ed in. Normans and all the following dynasties are the ones who ******ed us.
They're certainly not loonies, they know precisely how to control the wealth. However, there is a logic to having one set of masters rather than two.