Carry on Up the Kudos! Whoare Mistress, threads are being locked again.

tillson

Esteemed Pedelecer
May 29, 2008
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Fortunately, I just caught a thread entitled The Kudos Ambassador Scheme this morning before it fell victim to the censors.

For those that didn't get the chance to read the thread in its entirety, the salient point is that a person posting under the name of Whoare was making disparaging comments about trade members and their business practices. The excellent Kudos Ambassador scheme was subjected to some particularly nasty accusations and comments.

The content of some of Whoare's posts raised suspicion that he or she is in fact a trade member of the forum who is posing as a regular forum member under the cloak of a false username. Whoare is then using the deception of his or her false identity to gain a business advantage over his or her rivals.

Here is a link to the posts made by Whoare together with the likes that he or she has given. Read Whoare's posts and see if you can come to any conclusion.

Whoare has gone very quiet and he or she has been on the forum within the last 90 minutes. Whilst ever this sort of suspicion lingers, I think that it undermines the credibility of the forum and tarnishes the experience for all of us. I know that the the forum owners can administer the site however they see fit, but they would own nothing were it not for members contributions.

The Whoare situation is a bit of an insult to all of us, I have liked some of his or her posts, and he or she has commented and liked some of my posts. It might sound ridiculous, but the idea of having been duped at a very low level by a trade member sits uneasily with me.

I hope that we get answers to this from the moderators of the forum. They must be able to compare IP addresses used by Whoare to the IP addresses used by trade members to see if there is any correlation. The list of suspects is not long and it is now 24 hours since the thread was locked. I really hope this one does not go away, because if a trade member is responsible for this, they need identifying. Don't let this issue slide down the forum pages and out of sight, forgotten. The administrators owe the members that much for supporting their forum.

In the meantime, if anyone feels that the circumstantial evidence is pointing in their direction, would they just take 30 seconds to come on here and put our minds at rest by telling us that it isn't them, or apologise if they have made an error of judgement.

This forum isn't the place it used to be and I'm afraid that I am liking it less and less.
 

KirstinS

Esteemed Pedelecer
Apr 5, 2011
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I missed that thread and agree , if true, then it is shameful behaviour

Don't let it stop you posting or helping people though

There are trolls everywhere on the web

Don't lose sight of the enormous help many including myself get through this site.

There was one thread recently where community members and trade members all came together to help a chap with one arm.
 

funkylyn

Esteemed Pedelecer
Feb 22, 2011
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This forum isn't the place it used to be and I'm afraid that I am liking it less and less.

Tillson.....this certainly seems to be one person making a mockery of us and the whole idea of a forum, if it is actually true, unfortunately I think it sounds like it may well BE true.......but please dont let this incident make you feel like that, otherwise the b*ggers will be winning wont they and we cant let that happen.

This forum is still the number 1 place for people to come for e-bike help, advice or just a chat and a joke and as such it needs to be protected by us and more importantly by the owners of this site.

I, like you, hope that this is resolved quickly and that we find out soon just what exactly has been going on, also, trying to be totally fair, for whoare's sake as well.... IF 'he' is innocent ......

At the moment it is all leaving a bad taste in the mouth......and yes, as jazper says.......the link is no more, even more reason to get answers quickly and without delay, as you say, it doesnt take long to check IP addresses.

Lynda :)
 

funkylyn

Esteemed Pedelecer
Feb 22, 2011
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Here is a replacement link, but it only accesses the last 22 posts, the previous page 2 with the remaining five posts is a broken link.
nope flecc....its gone.....looks like the powers that be are intent on not letting any of us re read those posts until this matter has been resolved....one way or another......

Lynda :)
 

geezee74

Pedelecer
Jun 1, 2011
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I read and commented on his moronic posts and I hope that Dave his not been psychologically damaged. He seems a robust kind of fella.
 

wissy

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 26, 2013
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So how many more 'odd' usernames are there that are either touting business as traders incognito, dissing other traders or their products, lulling possible buyers into buying a pedelec based on tainted information / advice, or dare I mention have deliberately antagonised existing members against other past members?

Is this not time for a proper spring clean and to ask everybody to reregister? other forums have done that?

Is it not time to review certain individuals' bans (not that they would want to come back I imagine) as who knows whether the storyline build up / warnings / disagreements were based on a deliberate attempt by unknown dark forces to get rid. decent honest punters is what is really needed here before this pedelec site is tainted further.

Without meaning to insult members (exemption of trade members who clearly note this when posting) but how the hell do I know advice given is unbiased???

bring back Eddie et al

that will give this forum some legitimacy at least. Take a deep breath admin and try it... It may do you good..... think about it.. It makes sense.

Ps ref 50cycles.. I was well put out when told their sale was ending midnight blah de blah and guess what..... Not. naughty.
 

Electrifying Cycles

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jun 4, 2011
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Wissy have to agree the biggest strength of this forum is feedback from e bike owners. Traders can add value but it devalues information if the person in question really was a trader incognito. We try and give honest advice, even if that means not suggesting one of our own products :)
 

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
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So how many more 'odd' usernames are there that are either touting business as traders incognito, dissing other traders or their products,
Over the six plus years of this forum we've had the odd cases of an individual posting for a while as if independent, but we have a very good record of exposing them. Most have then come clean and declared their interest in future posts, but some have lost interest after a few trade-declared posts and then departed.

Overall I think the trade members currently in here conduct themselves extremely well and are a great asset for members.
 

funkylyn

Esteemed Pedelecer
Feb 22, 2011
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I really dont think there is any need for us all to re register en masse, after all, what would that actually do ?
It still wouldnt stop ANYONE from registering again more than once using different IP addresses..........if they really really wanted to :confused:

I think there are enough members on here with the common sense to suss out anyone 'suspect'.......we have actually proved that before.

I dont think one potential 'bad apple' has any chance of spoiling this forum 'barrel', we are all decent enough people, who are on here to learn and talk about one of our interests....electric bikes.....thats it, quite simple really.

This forum is FULL of 'decent honest punters'

Lets not get carried away, there are no 'dark forces' at work here and after all, members give their opinion as best they can, but we are all biased towards our own choice of bike, members asking for advice have to take the advice for what it is, weigh it up and then ultimately make their own minds up.

We are all responsible for our own choice of bike......there are no guarantees on this forum only help and advice, given willingly.

And this has certainly not got anything to do with edd, Indalo or any other banned members and I fail to see how reinstating banned members has any bearing on this current situation, whether we want them back or not is not up to us.

Who knows ??....they may already be back here......... ;)

And after all, if this whole sorry saga does turn out to be true, then we have caught 50C out YET AGAIN trying to act, well, lets be careful how we word this, in a not exactly honourable way....

I just hope that we find out soon before we all get way too paranoid for our own good :rolleyes:

Lynda :)
 
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jazper53

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 20, 2012
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Are we not making mountains out of mole hills? What I read from those post was based on irrational concepts that lead to accusations of plagiarism, and should have been laughed off rather than have this witch hunt, and IP address matching, which could open a whole new can of worms, people need to calm down, and move on.
 
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flatbat

Pedelecer
Nov 17, 2012
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So from what I can gather 50 Cycles are accused of foul play yet again - have I missed some others?
I bought a brilliant e bike from them 6 weeks ago at a brilliant price.
German quality engineered for just £100 more than a Kudos Chinese with only half the battery capacity.
Seems like a witch hunt to me.
My real life experience of 50 Cycles has geen great so don't let the hubris and hot air on this chatter platform put anyone off dealing with them. check my IP address or whatever - i am a genuine punter!
 

jackhandy

Esteemed Pedelecer
May 20, 2012
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Strange that here's another New Member that has no sooner joined the forum than he/she gets offensive with those that have doubts about the veracity of certain posters.

When I joined, I kept my comments to myself until I thought I may have devolved an Informed opinion.
 

103Alex1

Esteemed Pedelecer
Sep 29, 2012
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FWIW I've never had anything but good dealings with 50 Cycles as a customer. No complaints at all (and there usually are from me if there's anything to complain about !). Does seem very odd behaviour if they were posing as a punter doing that. Got no knowledge of their past postings or history on Pedelecs so can't make any comments on any of that.

All I can say is that they've been great to deal with, sold a fabulous bike, customized it with bits before shipping and got me fixed up with a couple of spares when I needed to replace a chainguard and some rear axle nuts. Not much else to say really.
 

Electrifying Cycles

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jun 4, 2011
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There is not doubt that they sell good bikes. However if the allegations are true I simply do not understand why they would risk their reputation. It is a lot easier to break a reputation than it is to build it up.
 

Kudoscycles

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Apr 15, 2011
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I read and commented on his moronic posts and I hope that Dave his not been psychologically damaged. He seems a robust kind of fella.
Geezee,thanks for the kind thought but don't worry,last year was my 40th in business,I have broad shoulders to these matters. The real shame in all this is that it undermines the credibility of the forum,we never know that if a member talks well or badly of a bike is his posting genuine? Is the poster just trying to talk up his own bike or discredit a competitors?
If you look through other new members that are linked with Whoare,especially on blogs,it spreads a cloke of suspicion over those members-there may be several that in our innocence we have accepted as genuine,I think if a member only talks about one bike or company that must be suspicious.
I have to be very careful what I say so as not to affect my response but a poster said that we shouldn't throw stones but are cannonballs ok?
thanks
KudosDave
 
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