carbon forks and hub motors?

Bonzo Banana

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Surely even if they use sealant its better to have the cable going downwards unless they have worked out that splashing up from puddles is worse than rain but the point is if you splash up gravity will allow the water to come out again. However I have to say this is not the first commercial ebike product with a hub motor that has that cable going upward but I always thought that was a mistake.
 
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Bikes4two

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Surely even if they use sealant its better to have the cable going downwards unless they have worked out that splashing up from puddles is worse than rain..(sic] running downwards.
Absolutely so but if the sealant were right at the point of cable exit on the axle then like many other sealed surfaces on a bike, the moisture won't penetrate surely?

The disadvantage of the 'drip loop' approach is the possibility of the motor cable snagging on something and getting damaged although I should imagine in a practical sense the chances of this happening are low unless riding across country or leaving the bike parked against other things (like bikes in bike sheds?). I think the biggest advantage of 'top entry' is an aesthetic one as it looks so much neater and is less of an advertisement that it's an e-bike.

All small points of course but as is typical of us humans, where there's a choice.......

And I think assumptions like 'bottom entry is better' and 'carbon forks for hub motors are a no-no' are always worth exploring expecially when there are real world and sound examples that are opposite to what might be considered the norm.
 
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matthewslack

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I like the neatness, but a bespoke rubber boot tight to the cable and axle with a little drain hole in the bottom would satisfy me more than sealant.
 
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JakeCy

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I would guess that about half the Cytronex bikes out there since Cytronex was first launched with our original product back in 2008 have carbon forks and I am not aware of any issues in that entire period. At Cytronex we manufacture here in the UK and a lot of production is done onsite here in Winchester, as opposed to solely supplying imported parts.

This means we control all the characteristics and performance of Cytronex. In regard to torque, we don’t apply power immediately when the bike is not moving and the torque would be greatest, our integrated controller also precisely regulates power and is very smooth and quiet. Torque also tapers down when you begin reaching the assisted limit of the motor. We chose to do this so that the transition from assisted riding to unassisted when you go over the 25 or 32kmh limit is subtle rather than a sudden decelleration followed by surge as you accelerate again. This is controlled by the firmware on the bottle and is something we have adjusted over time with firmware updates. We've not changed firmware much lately other than to update our Fault Code library to improve the data we get when we are doing remote diagnostics for customers.

Whilst we can’t speak for all bike manufacturers or fork manufacturers, most forks will have metal dropouts and it is the dropouts that count, and as long as the wheel nuts are done up correctly then the dropouts cannot move. We have also fitted our product to bikes with full carbon forks (including the dropout) such as on a number of Colnago's. In summary, we have never had a problem that I am aware of with a correctly fitted system in carbon forks.

For sealing the motor we do a couple of things. As noted by @Bikes4two the cable exit faces upwards. In theory, it can be downward too by flipping hub 180 degrees and doing the same for the torque washers. We opt for an upward facing cable because it allows the cable to exit in a neater way. The axle is hollow and has sealant inside. Since 2020 we also incorporated an additional seal inside the hub. This is a conical rubber seal which goes around the cable but behind the axle plate and compresses tightly around the cable when the axle is secured during the assembly of the motor.

Our product isn't right for everybody and if we have a customer in the shop who has needs that cannot be fulfilled by what we do, then we try to point them in the right direction. Customers of ours are typically those who (regardless of their bike), want power on demand at the expense of a small weight penalty when riding with no assistance. We've also changed parts in the hub and bearings to optimise how well the motor freewheels and are happy with the result. :)

Jake @ Cytronex
 
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Bikes4two

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  • Nice to hear from you @JakeCy and apologies for posing as a customer.
  • Firstly I was really interested to visit your shop and get a greater knowledge of what you do seeing that my cycling buddies spoke so highly of your system and others in my cycling group often ask me about 'going electric' as our ages increase.
  • Secondly I was interested to get your views on carbon forks for front hub motors as per my original posting.
  • All in all if my cycling budget were healthier I'd really rather fancy the Cytronex (and I'd certainly recommend it to those looking for the type of support the C1 gives), but hey ho the AKM100sx is serving me well in my Trek Madone (carbon forks) but TBH the whole setup does lack the professional, neat finish that your kit gives.
 

JakeCy

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  • Nice to hear from you @JakeCy and apologies for posing as a customer.
  • Firstly I was really interested to visit your shop and get a greater knowledge of what you do seeing that my cycling buddies spoke so highly of your system and others in my cycling group often ask me about 'going electric' as our ages increase.
  • Secondly I was interested to get your views on carbon forks for front hub motors as per my original posting.
  • All in all if my cycling budget were healthier I'd really rather fancy the Cytronex (and I'd certainly recommend it to those looking for the type of support the C1 gives), but hey ho the AKM100sx is serving me well in my Trek Madone (carbon forks) but TBH the whole setup does lack the professional, neat finish that your kit gives.
It's alright! A bit of detective work is needed from time to time! :D

If you have any other questions, you know where we are or can message me on here. I don't check here all that much in truth though :)

Jake
 
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