Brexit speed question.

Yes and no.

Going faster burns the battery.

Going faster is fun.

For Phill, who is stuck in euro speed figures, the title should read;-

Would you like your motor to go faster than 24.8 kph, before cut off, to 32 kph?

I'd vote 30mph for keeping up with traffic in cities

Soundwave can set off speed cameras with his bike.

I'd vote 30mph for keeping up with traffic in cities

When the car in front slams his brakes on at 30..............ouch

If we can keep all of the freedoms of use that we currently enjoy with a 15 mph limit, then yes, faster would be good.

If higher speed comes with more restrictions, as in Germany, insurance, number plate, compulsory helmet, no use of cycle paths, then no, I would rather stay as we are.

Edited August 20, 20169 yr by tillson

I we can keep all of the freedoms of use we currently enjoy with a 15 mph limit, then yes, faster would be good.

 

If higher speed comes with more restrictions, as in Germany, insurance, number plate, compulsory helmet, no use of cycle paths, then no, I would rather stay as we are.

Roadies on racing bikes with skinny tyres can trot along at 45 mph. So 4.5 mph more, before auto cut-off, should be fine (seeing as pedelecs can go as fast as you like on muscle power anyhow).

Roadies on racing bikes with skinny tyres can trot along at 45 mph. So 4.5 mph more, before auto cut-off, should be fine (seeing as pedelecs can go as fast as you like on muscle power anyhow).

Phil's Giant Yamaha does 60.....

My vote was cast for 15 mph because normally, I ride at 10-12 mph. I like seeing the things that I pass.

if I want to go faster, I have a full motor cycle licence, but don't any longer want a motor bike.

if I want to go faster, I have a full motor cycle licence.

If you wanted to go faster than 15 mph, you could just run.

When the car in front slams his brakes on at 30..............ouch

Happened to me many times... and as a safe driver, you just need to keep enough distance with the car in front of you.

My main fear is the opposite... when the car behind me is being too close because I am too slow...

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i need more power

Roadies on racing bikes with skinny tyres can trot along at 45 mph. So 4.5 mph more, before auto cut-off, should be fine (seeing as pedelecs can go as fast as you like on muscle power anyhow).

But the law quite rightly is set to suit the least capable, not the most capable like those roadies.

That's why our power cutoff is at 25kph (15.5mph), and even that only courtesy of the EU. Our UK law was once set at just 12 mph before the EU compatibility requirements increased it.

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But the law quite rightly is set to suit the least capable, not the most capable like those roadies.

We have many 'capable' bikes and riders, who often spend many thousands on a single bike. Fortunately, entrepreneurs have solved the cut-off problem, for those that would like to be able to go half as fast as those 'most capable'.

We have many 'capable' bikes and riders, who often spend many thousands on a single bike. Fortunately, entrepreneurs have solved the cut-off problem, for those that would like to be able to go half as fast as those 'most capable'.

 

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Did those cyclists overtake you in the end?

In my opinion 15.5mph is a sensible cut-off for vehicles which are treated as pedal cycles. That means using shared use paths, having pedal cycle spec brakes, tyres, lighting, standards of maintenance (no MOT), no insurance, no licensing, no protective clothing, operated by a 14yr old etc.

You or I might be able to cope with a more powerful machine (I've got a full motorbike license and I'm sure I'm not alone in that here), but could every user?

No problem with more powerful e-bikes, I just think the current regulations are correct in treating them as motorcycles. There's no limit to how fast you can make your e-bike, just build and operate it as a motorcycle if it assists over 15.5mph.

There is (in my opinion) a good argument for an ultra-light moped class with less restrictions than motorcycles but more than pedal cycles. That would encompass s-pedelecs and also some very light IC engine vehicles (mostly historical).

What I wouldn't want to see is an ultra-light moped class (say up to 28mph) which encompassed all e-bikes. So even 15.5mph bikes would need registration etc and would only be permitted to use carriageways.

With the extensive introduction of 20mph limits in urban area's, I think there's a case for pedelec speed increase. This would enable commuters to keep up with the flow of traffic and so be less likely to be 'nudged' by the impatient. I think it would also encourage more to commute by pedelec, cutting down congestion and pollution.

For myself, I ride the lanes of west Wales, mostly at 12-14mph, gazing around at the wonderful landscape. So I don't give a tinkers cuss about commuters...........whoops, p.c. slippage:oops:

With the extensive introduction of 20mph limits in urban area's, I think there's a case for pedelec speed increase. This would enable commuters to keep up with the flow of traffic and so be less likely to be 'nudged' by the impatient. I think it would also encourage more to commute by pedelec, cutting down congestion and pollution.

For myself, I ride the lanes of west Wales, mostly at 12-14mph, gazing around at the wonderful landscape. So I don't give a tinkers cuss about commuters...........whoops, p.c. slippage:oops:

Do you not think that the powers that be are more likely to reduce the speed for cars to 15mph in those areas, rather than increase the speeds of other motorised forms of transport to match the current 20mph?

With the extensive introduction of 20mph limits in urban area's, I think there's a case for pedelec speed increase.

It will never happen though, so wishing for it is pointless.

EU law has been based on common practice in their main cycling countries, where 25 kph is quite fast.

And when we were uninfluenced by EU law, the typically restrictive UK set the assist limit at 12 mph, only increasing that to 15 mph later under EU influence.

So virtually no chance either way.

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It will never happen though, so wishing for it is pointless.

I heard the same argument regarding xenon headlights 5 years ago. Now, they all have them.

You can never say 'never'. It's too often proved wrong.

I heard the same argument regarding xenon headlights 5 years ago. Now, they all have them.

 

You can never say 'never'. It's too often proved wrong.

Ah but you are speaking about progress, in which I agree. I'm speaking about UK governance!

I back what I've prophesied with 70 years experience of the UK's restrictive attitudes, particularly in road traffic law. In UK law speed limits if changed only ever reduce.

Anyway, for me at 80, never isn't very many years!!!

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In UK law speed limits if changed only ever reduce.

Well thats incorrect.....

Recently HGV speed limits were raised from 40 on single carriageways to 50... and from 50 on dual carriageways to 60.

Well thats incorrect.....

Recently HGV speed limits were raised from 40 on single carriageways to 50... and from 50 on dual carriageways to 60.

Agree, I was speaking of highway speed limits which only ever go down, rather than a specific like that which may have been influenced by EU law, since that has also increased sizes and weights over time.

We've had our assist limit help from the EU with the change from 12 to 15.5 mph, and our leaving will end that influence anyway.

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