It will be the same intended new world order that President Xi Jinping of China spoke of at length in his major address to the The National People's Congress. That's why they are partners now.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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The recent troubles with US banks could have been engineered by those who want to topple the US dollar as the world's premier trade and reseve currency.
I can't see that the EU would ever want to move their reserve currency from dollar to Yuan.
I can't see that the EU would ever want to move their reserve currency from dollar to Yuan.
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Any peace talks with Ukraine must focus on “creating a new world order,” Kremlin has today said as Russian troops made gains in Bakhmut.
Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said: “Any negotiation needs to be based on taking into account Russian interests, Russian concerns.”
Agence France-Presse also quoted him as saying: “It should be about the principles on which the new world order will be based.”
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between 'make USA great again' and 'make Russia great again', maybe the EU and China should unite.
Given Europe's socialist leanings they are certainly better natural partners.
But this new world order issue is about the USA's refusal to accept that any form of socialism can exist.
China, now with Russian support, is determined to change that attitude to one of acceptance that socialism has a right and proper place in the world and that America's right wing democratic model of using bullying force to crush any other system out of existence cannot be the only one.
I fully agree with China, the world should accept that every form of rule should have its place, to either exist or fail based upon it's success. Hence China's "hearts and minds" foreign policies, one which Russia still has to learn better, though they have made progress in many areas.
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erm, you need to find more informed ways to be provocative, my dear fellow forumite. As any political scientist will tell you, neither china nor Russia have any history or experience of socialism (for that the world would need to look to Nordic countries)
I'm not being provocative. Both Russia and China have some decades recent experience of socialism, but in the impatient form of enforcing it, rather than having it by common consent. Obviously a mistake as both now know to some extent.
The current excellent Nordic model was only arrived at after centuries of warring between the Scandinavian nations, all in turn ruling over each other. It will take time before China and Russia can achieve the same outcome, but they deserve the right to try, rather than be oppressed by the sort of violent bigotry that the USA practices and you, like most westerners, also express.
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That's being very generous to stalin, or Mao
Western Leftists Loved Stalinism and Maoism, Despite Their Horrors - Intellectual Takeout
The notion that “real” Marxists would not support the socialism of Mao, Stalin, Lenin, or Pol Pot is belied by the historical record.
intellectualtakeout.org
Neither of whom I ever supported in any way. I speak of socialism, not enforced Marxist or Trotskyite communism.
Enforcing any political system is fundamentally wrong and ensures it will not last. The mistake made by Stalin and Mao and still being attempted worldwide by the USA, using similarly crude and violent methods. I haven't included Putin since he isn't in the same league, being just a grossly over-promoted person far out of his depth.
Unfortunately people in political positions want results in their lifetime. But to get the people's wide enough acceptance of true socialism takes many lifetimes of accumulated experience before it is realised that altruism is an essential component for political contentment.
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@oyster - the hills of Wales strike again!
Tonyrefail: Empty car crashes through shop window
Onlookers said the blue Ford rolled down a hill, hit a bollard and careered into the shop.
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The warm embrace and the cold shoulder: China mines Europe’s fractures during joint visit
French President Emmanuel Macron got parades and banquets. EU chief Ursula von der Leyen was mostly left alone.
www.politico.eu
Imagine having to slum it with the tourists, no red carpet, just talk to press in own EU bldg. Comedown!?
‘Completely delusional’ Brexiteers will die soon and Britain will rejoin single market in 15 years, Ryanair CEO says
national debt at the end of March was just above £2.5 trillion.
We borrowed last year £139.2 billion.
About thw worst performing nation from the G9.
Time to rethink brexit?
We borrowed last year £139.2 billion.
About thw worst performing nation from the G9.
Time to rethink brexit?
The sooner we engage reverse and rejoin, the better.
That last year borrowing alone represented £5681 per full time UK worker. Our low productivity and falling exports means they cannot possibly earn that surplus, and reducing that £2.5 trillion national debt is only an ever receding dream.
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China recognises the existence of Nation States and Macron was on a State Visit. They don't really recognise associations of Nation States"When European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen arrived, she got the ecology minister — at the regular passenger exit."The warm embrace and the cold shoulder: China mines Europe’s fractures during joint visit
French President Emmanuel Macron got parades and banquets. EU chief Ursula von der Leyen was mostly left alone.
Imagine having to slum it with the tourists, no red carpet, just talk to press in own EU bldg. Comedown!?
they don't see the EU as a superstate like Brits do. For them, it's Germany, France and Italy their most important European interlocutors. The EU is more or less a side issue, no army.
I can't see why Von der Leyen agreed to come with Macron. Did she... or was she...?
Well as she is talking China down and EU'ers only fail up, maybe she will become princess of Mars?!
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