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flecc

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With all the desertions and his determination to stay, I think Boris Johnson has a secret ambition to run the country single handed, taking all cabinet and advisory posts.

Should be fun. ;)
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Yesterday at BBCQT...
BBC Question Time last night, yes?

Did anyone here watch it? was it any good?

An elderly relative phoned earlier on this morning and asked whether the wife and I had watched it (we hadn't - I was in bed!) as he said it was one of the best Question times he could remember!
I'm not convinced his definition of 'best' will be the same as mine though! I would like to see a sensible, unbiased conversation with questions and experts representing all sides of an argument. Trouble is, I would be pleasantly shocked if the BBC provided such a thing :(

Is it worth firing up the i-player ?
 

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BBC Question Time last night, yes?

Did anyone here watch it? was it any good?

An elderly relative phoned earlier on this morning and asked whether the wife and I had watched it (we hadn't - I was in bed!) as he said it was one of the best Question times he could remember!
I'm not convinced his definition of 'best' will be the same as mine though! I would like to see a sensible, unbiased conversation with questions and experts representing all sides of an argument. Trouble is, I would be pleasantly shocked if the BBC provided such a thing :(

Is it worth firing up the i-player ?
I did watch it but then I watch all the **** on BBC to justify my BBC license fee.
If you value the quality of the panel, one minute in, you'll switch it off.
 

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I did watch it but then I watch all the **** on BBC to justify my BBC license fee.
If you value the quality of the panel, one minute in, you'll switch it off.
I’d imagine QT they are struggling to find any Tory MPs to go anywhere near the public or a person likely to ask them a question.

It’s the same with Johnson. There is now only a few journalists that can interview him. What a badge of dishonour it must be to hold that professional status.
 

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It’s the same with Johnson. There is now only a few journalists that can interview him. What a badge of dishonour it must be to hold that professional status.
on PMQ last week, he waited until KS asked his last allotted question then said: "he spent most of his time prosecuting journalists and failing to prosecute Jimmy Savile".
Saville was investigated by Surrey police in 2008 and 2009. The victims refused to testify so the PPS decided to drop the cases. Savile died in 2011. Starmer commissioned a report on Savile the following year (2012) and when the report came out, he apologised on behalf of the PPS.
Mirza on resignation called Johnson's remark 'a scurrilous accusation ' which, on the face of it, seems right.
After Mirza quit, Johnson said: "I'm not talking about the leader of the opposition's personal record when he was DPP. I was making a point about his responsibility for the organisation as a whole."

the problem Johnson has is he can't stop himself hitting back below the belt.
 

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Mrs Honeyman

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on PMQ last week, he waited until KS asked his last allotted question then said: "he spent most of his time prosecuting journalists and failing to prosecute Jimmy Savile".
Saville was investigated by Surrey police in 2008 and 2009. The victims refused to testify so the PPS decided to drop the cases. Savile died in 2011. Starmer commissioned a report on Savile the following year (2012) and when the report came out, he apologised on behalf of the PPS.
Mirza on resignation called Johnson's remark 'a scurrilous accusation ' which, on the face of it, seems right.
After Mirza quit, Johnson said: "I'm not talking about the leader of the opposition's personal record when he was DPP. I was making a point about his responsibility for the organisation as a whole."

the problem Johnson has is he can't stop himself hitting back below the belt.
He’s a desperate man. His lies have caught up with him.
 

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on PMQ last week, he waited until KS asked his last allotted question then said: "he spent most of his time prosecuting journalists and failing to prosecute Jimmy Savile".
Saville was investigated by Surrey police in 2008 and 2009. The victims refused to testify so the PPS decided to drop the cases. Savile died in 2011. Starmer commissioned a report on Savile the following year (2012) and when the report came out, he apologised on behalf of the PPS.
Mirza on resignation called Johnson's remark 'a scurrilous accusation ' which, on the face of it, seems right.
After Mirza quit, Johnson said: "I'm not talking about the leader of the opposition's personal record when he was DPP. I was making a point about his responsibility for the organisation as a whole."

the problem Johnson has is he can't stop himself hitting back below the belt.
This is what he tried to condone, hide that triggered it all
I wonder how much uglier it get the more one digs
 

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The tories appear to be riven by feuds. Probably a good idea to remember that a feud requires at least two parties.
 

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The tories appear to be riven by feuds. Probably a good idea to remember that a feud requires at least two parties.
ITN News said that their source suggests 40 letters are in. The main concern is once the vote of no confidence is triggered, those who want Johnson out need to win this vote, about 180 MPs need to vote Johnson out in a secret ballot, otherwise, Johnson gets one more year without challenge. This may be what Labour are wishing for.
 
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about 180 MPs need to vote Johnson out in a secret ballot, otherwise, Johnson gets one more year without challenge.
If Johnson is told that the Police and hence the complete Grey report will not be released for quite a while, might he not secretly tip off some of his supporters that he wants them to put letters in and so trigger a vote. As most of his MPs are waiting for the Police and Grey findings before they decide what to do, is it not likely that they would not vote against him if this information is not released. Johnson would therefore get the votes he needs and as you say not have to worry about another vote for a year, an awful lot could happen in a year and as he has been living from day to day recently he would see that as a massive success.

There is obviously risk in this strategy, because its a secret ballot perhaps many of the MPs who say they are waiting for the Police findings might actually vote against him in private as they know the Police aren't really going to tell them things they don't already know.
 

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If Johnson is told that the Police and hence the complete Grey report will not be released for quite a while, might he not secretly tip off some of his supporters that he wants them to put letters in and so trigger a vote. As most of his MPs are waiting for the Police and Grey findings before they decide what to do, is it not likely that they would not vote against him if this information is not released. Johnson would therefore get the votes he needs and as you say not have to worry about another vote for a year, an awful lot could happen in a year and as he has been living from day to day recently he would see that as a massive success.

There is obviously risk in this strategy, because its a secret ballot perhaps many of the MPs who say they are waiting for the Police findings might actually vote against him in private as they know the Police aren't really going to tell them things they don't already know.
Someone says it is inevitable:

Boris Johnson’s desperate efforts to save his premiership were undermined on Saturday as one of his most loyal backbench supporters said it was now “inevitable” that Tory MPs would remove him from office over the “partygate” scandal.

In an interview with the Observer, Sir Charles Walker, a former vice-chairman of the 1922 Committee of backbench Conservative MPs, implored the prime minister to go of his own accord in the national interest, and likened the events in the Tory party to a Greek tragedy.

“It is an inevitable tragedy,” Walker said. “He is a student of Greek and Roman tragedy. It is going to end in him going, so I just want him to have some agency in that.”

 
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Entirely predictably, Johnson is slowly turning the gunsight onto his fuckjar. He will betray, abandon and destroy anybody and anything in order to save himself. The fuckjar is the latest object to be sacrificed on his alter of misconduct.

It couldn’t happen to a more appropriate person though :D
 

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This is, if true, an extremely concerning ramping up of the rhetoric:

You’ll need a tank division to drag me out of Downing St, Boris Johnson tells allies

Do you think Putin would divert a regiment or two from the Ukraine border, please?
 
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flecc

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This is, if true, an extremely concerning ramping up of the rhetoric:

You’ll need a tank division to drag me out of Downing St, Boris Johnson tells allies

Do you think Putin would divert a regiment or two from the Ukraine border, please?
Let him stay, the longer the better to destroy Tory government for a very long time.

He won't do any damage to this country, it was damaged beyond easy repair a very long time ago and in continuous decline since 1950.
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Let him stay, the longer the better to destroy Tory government for a very long time.
I watched Lamy on BBC1 this morning talking about energy price and cost of living.
Labour still needs a new economic doctrine. Otherwise, they will keep wearing the old hat of tax and spend.
 

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