Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Can’t see how stopping using a vaccine, with a risk factor which is minuscule by comparison to the disease it protects against, is sensible.

Our vaccine program is turning out to be exactly as I said, poor.

As of this moment it's 11 weeks and 6 hours since my first AZ jab and not a murmer about an appointment for the second within 12 weeks. I'm not going to jog them, I'll just wait to see how bad it gets.
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[Woosh]

What did the rest of the 4.38 millions who've caught it have to say about it?
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the (estimated) first 20% of the population catching covid mostly without symptoms but for those that have, 170,000 die. We vaccinated 8.5 millions twice and about 24 millions once with about 30 deaths. The benefit of vaccines is clearly demonstrated.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

Our vaccine program is turning out to be exactly as I said, poor.

As of this moment it's 11 weeks and 6 hours since my first AZ jab and not a murmer about an appointment for the second within 12 weeks. I'm not going to jog them, I'll just wait to see how bad it gets.
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I made my second appointment at the time of making the first. It was dead easy. A neighbour had a similar situation to you. Phoned the GP surgery, jabbed the following day. Job done.

TheUK’s vaccination programme is a marvellous triumph. However, it does require the person to set aside their political differences, approach the process with an open mind and have a willingness to engage.

 

[Zlatan]

[QUOTE="Jesus H Christ, post: 613263, member: 33625"
TheUK’s vaccination programme is a marvellous triumph. However, it does require the person to set aside their political differences, approach the process with an open mind and have a willingness to engage.
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Can't see any problems with our posters there.... At all.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

[QUOTE="Jesus H Christ, post: 613263, member: 33625"
TheUK’s vaccination programme is a marvellous triumph. However, it does require the person to set aside their political differences, approach the process with an open mind and have a willingness to engage.

Can't see any problems with our posters there.... At all.
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Yes, they all have a “can do” make it happen approach and when necessary depoliticise a situation.
It should all run like clockwork. What could possibly go wrong for them.

 

[flecc]

I made my second appointment at the time of making the first. It was dead easy. A neighbour had a similar situation to you. Phoned the GP surgery, jabbed the following day. Job done.

TheUK’s vaccination programme is a marvellous triumph. However, it does require the person to set aside their political differences, approach the process with an open mind and have a willingness to engage.

As I've posted before, GP surgery says don't phone, wait for the appointment. Another route I was given only offered distant and inconvenient locations and was for both jabs, but I've already had the first.

And very unlike you, I do have an open mind and no political allegiance to any party, having voted either way at various times according to circumstances.

So I'll just do as I've been told and await an appointment as I did for the first which was very late and out of sequence. That way I'll actually know how good the program really is, aside from any bias.
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[sjpt]

So I'll just do as I've been told and await an appointment as I did for the first which was very late and out of sequence. That way I'll actually know how good the program really is, aside from any bias.

That will give one good data point, but most certainly won't tell you how good the program really is.

My wife had her 2nd (AZ) jab after about 6 weeks, I've got my 2nd (Pfizer) tomorrow after 10 weeks. That indicates that the official statistics are correct, and that the program is working pretty well. I wouldn't say it's working well just based on our cases, but they give confidence in the official statistics.

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No system is going to be perfect. As well as my 'real' text invitation, I've had two other (email) invitations for my second jab; one from Georgia (US) and one from Canada. Not spam but cases where people had given their wrong email address; and in both cases the invitation was from a 'no return' sender. So maybe that's two people wondering where their second jab went.

One of the disadvantages of having got onto gmail early and so claimed a 'natural' email address is that I get around 1 or 2 messages a week for people around the world with the same name as me who incorrectly enter my email address in some form.

 

[flecc]

That will give one good data point, but most certainly won't tell you how good the program really is.

Of course, as good as it is for me and friends in my area, which is mainly what I'm personally interested in.

However, when the first jab program for the 70s in many Northern areas was completed before half of Londons 80s had their first jab and only 15% of Scotland's over 80s had their first jab, I absolutely knew the program has not gone well.

And a current example is that over 8.9 millions have had their second jab. That's 3.7 millions beyond all the over 80s and high risk workers, meaning they must all have been in lower age groups while huge numbers of over 80s are still waiting and going overdue the 12 weeks.

Quantity of jabs, excellent. Accuracy of following the program, very poor.
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[oyster]

That will give one good data point, but most certainly won't tell you how good the program really is.

My wife had her 2nd (AZ) jab after about 6 weeks, I've got my 2nd (Pfizer) tomorrow after 10 weeks. That indicates that the official statistics are correct, and that the program is working pretty well. I wouldn't say it's working well just based on our cases, but they give confidence in the official statistics.

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No system is going to be perfect. As well as my 'real' text invitation, I've had two other (email) invitations for my second jab; one from Georgia (US) and one from Canada. Not spam but cases where people had given their wrong email address; and in both cases the invitation was from a 'no return' sender. So maybe that's two people wondering where their second jab went.

One of the disadvantages of having got onto gmail early and so claimed a 'natural' email address is that I get around 1 or 2 messages a week for people around the world with the same name as me who incorrectly enter my email address in some form.

Funnily enough, I received the first wrongly-addressed email in many months on a gmail address just a couple of hours ago. Very suspicious as it had a spreadsheet attachment - so I deleted it straight away. But it could just as well have been a mistake as malicious. (An email address I use for just one single purpose and is not public. So anything else that arrives there sticks out like a sore thumb.)

 

[oldgroaner]

Can’t see how stopping using a vaccine, with a risk factor which is minuscule by comparison to the disease it protects against, is sensible.

It is if you have a safer alternative one

 

[oldgroaner]

TheUK’s vaccination programme is a marvellous triumph. However, it does require the person to set aside their political differences, approach the process with an open mind and have a willingness to engage.

Only you would imagine political differences have any bearing on the decisions people make when examining a set of circumstances, then laughably you prove you have that very problem with this load of tripe!

TheUK’s vaccination programme is a marvellous triumph. However, it does require the person to set aside their political differences, approach the process with an open mind and have a willingness to engage.

You seem to have a victim complex, however I can suggest a cure

Stop voting for the Conservatives

And let's look into your assertion
"TheUK’s vaccination programme is a marvellous triumph.

How can you have a triumph that is only half done?
We used the EU's 21 million doses to play the numbers game, and now we can't get enough to filch from elsewhere to complete the job.
And the rest of the world isn't impressed with our local vaccine are they?
And here is the numbers actually fully vaccinated

Israel57.3%
Chile26.8% (Apr 14, 2021)
Bahrain26.2%#
United States23.5%
Serbia17.8%
United Kingdom12.5% (Apr 14, 2021

Doesn't look impressive does it?

 

[Jesus H Christ]

Only you would imagine political differences have any bearing on the decisions people make when examining a set of circumstances, then laughably you prove you have that very problem with this load of trtop voting ipe!

TheUK’s vaccination programme is a marvellous triumph. However, it does require the person to set aside their political differences, approach the process with an open mind and have a willingness to engage.

You seem to have a victim complex, however I can suggest a cure

Stop voting for the Conservatives

And let's look into your assertion
"TheUK’s vaccination programme is a marvellous triumph.

How can you have a triumph that is only half done?
We used the EU's 21 million doses to play the numbers game, and now we can't get enough to filch from elsewhere to complete the job.
And the rest of the world isn't impressed with our local vaccine are they?
And here is the numbers actually fully vaccinated

Israel57.3%
Chile26.8% (Apr 14, 2021)
Bahrain26.2%#
United States23.5%
Serbia17.8%
United Kingdom12.5% (Apr 14, 2021

Doesn't look impressive does it?

You know that full vaccination wasn’t the strategy, it was reducing deaths and hospitalisation. That’s happened. It’s worked. Success. Hooray!

The path taken by many EU nations, which is opposite to the U.K. (they are concentrating on two doses to half the number of people) hasn’t worked. People are dying, hospitalisations are spiralling lockdown measures are being introduced.

I’m very happy with my one dose of Oxford knowing that I’m now over 80% less likely to go into hospital if I contract Covid. Because I’ve not had that second dose, another person now enjoys the same protection as me who otherwise would not have done so. It’s a very simple concept and I’m very surprised that you don’t understand it.

Engage, embrace, rejoice. You are a lucky man to have world leading medical experts living in the U.K. and looking after your health during this pandemic.

 

[oldgroaner]

You know that full vaccination wasn’t the strategy, it was reducing deaths and hospitalisation. That’s happened. It’s worked. Success. Hooray!

The path taken by many EU nations, which is opposite to the U.K. (they are concentrating on two doses to half the number of people) hasn’t worked. People are dying, hospitalisations are spiralling lockdown measures are being introduced.

I’m very happy with my one dose of Oxford knowing that I’m now over 80% less likely to go into hospital if I contract Covid. Because I’ve not had that second dose, another person now enjoys the same protection as me who otherwise would not have done so. It’s a very simple concept and I’m very surprised that you don’t understand it.

Engage, embrace, rejoice. You are a lucky man to have world leading medical experts living in the U.K. and looking after your health during this pandemic.

It wasn't a "strategy" it was a knee jerk reaction gambling that they would shrug off some of their bad press over the death rates.
And they made full use of the EU vaccines while denying any to them, in other words we were as a nation greedily denying what should have been shared, and at that to shore up a disastrously incompetent government that should have resigned.
And suckers fell for it, didn't you?

That is a very simple explanation let me know if there is any part you didn't understand
By the way when are we hoping to recruit these people?
"world leading medical experts living in the U.K. and looking after your health during this pandemic."

What we have is an inept government , and with the odd exception some pretty average so called experts, willing to toe the government line.
120,000 dead is not a good reason for feeling anything but sorrow and dismay.

 

[sjpt]

It wasn't a "strategy" it was a knee jerk reaction gambling that they would shrug off some of their bad press over the death rates.
And they made full use of the EU vaccines while denying any to them, in other words we were as a nation greedily denying what should have been shared, and at that to shore up a disastrously incompetent government that should have resigned.
And suckers fell for it, didn't you?

That is a very simple explanation let me know if there is any part you didn't understand
By the way when are we hoping to recruit these people?
"world leading medical experts living in the U.K. and looking after your health during this pandemic."

What we have is an inept government , and with the odd exception some pretty average so called experts, willing to toe the government line.
120,000 dead is not a good reason for feeling anything but sorrow and dismay.

The government, associated experts and services between them clearly got lots of things very wrong from the start of the pandemic, and were responsible for a significant proportion of those deaths (probably 90% the fault of the government and in particular the PM).

However, the recent figures compared to almost all other countries are excellent (thanks to the government, associated experts and services). It isn't proven that the first jab early, long delay tactics helped with that; but it certainly hasn't been proven to have been a poor approach.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

It wasn't a "strategy" it was a knee jerk reaction gambling that they would shrug off some of their bad press over the death rates.
And they made full use of the EU vaccines while denying any to them, in other words we were as a nation greedily denying what should have been shared, and at that to shore up a disastrously incompetent government that should have resigned.
And suckers fell for it, didn't you?

That is a very simple explanation let me know if there is any part you didn't understand
By the way when are we hoping to recruit these people?
"world leading medical experts living in the U.K. and looking after your health during this pandemic."

What we have is an inept government , and with the odd exception some pretty average so called experts, willing to toe the government line.
120,000 dead is not a good reason for feeling anything but sorrow and dismay.

My goodness, you really do hate the U.K. I’d underestimated the depth of your resentment and your ill feelings towards the country you reside in. A country you were happy to accept your vaccination from, whilst simultaneously denying it to an EU citizen. As you suggest.

By the way when are we hoping to recruit these people?
"world leading medical experts living in the U.K. and looking after your health during this pandemic."

These people are here right now. Today, they are working in our hospitals and our universities. Your comment is an insult to them, an unsightly blemish which seeks to undermine their efforts. It rather backs up my thoughts regarding your hatred and resentment of all things good about the U.K. It’s there in all of it’s ugliness, neatly packaged into those two sentences.

 

[oldgroaner]

My goodness, you really do hate the U.K. I’d underestimated the depth of your resentment and your ill feelings towards the country you reside in. A country you were happy to accept your vaccination from, whilst simultaneously denying it to an EU citizen. As you suggest.



These people are here right now. Today, they are working in our hospitals and our universities. Your comment is an insult to them, an unsightly blemish which seeks to undermine their efforts. It rather backs up my thoughts regarding your hatred and resentment of all things good about the U.K. It’s there in all of it’s ugliness, neatly packaged into those two sentences.

You just proved to have underestimated my estimation of your stupidity with this
"My goodness, you really do hate the U.K. I’d underestimated the depth of your resentment "

Jesus, how can anyone who voted for Brexit and the Conservatives not feel a choking sensation at the sheer atrocities they have committed against the nation I have been trying all along to prevent being destroyed by such idiots?

I resent two things
Conservatives
Conservative supporters

Is that clear? I regard both as mortal enemies of Britain

 

[Woosh]

our government has spent a huge amount of money unwisely on account of Covid. More than 100 billions of borrowed money lent to scammers, spent on PPE, testing thousands before isolating one infected person. That's before counting the number of people losing their jobs or seeing reduced income in their millions. No holiday, no outdoor activities. Everything in my local supermarket goes up in price and yet, RPI is surprisingly low, I smell a rat there. Most parts of the NHS and doctors surgeries have been paralysed. Queues for routine treatments have never been longer.
I am pretty sure that the post mortem on its policies won't have much to commend.
Conservatives are financially disastrous for this country, If you don't see that, you are blind.

 

[oldgroaner]

As to what the Government got wrong this video explains

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/apr/16/uk-government-coronavirus-response-data-video-explainer

 

[oyster]

As to what the Government got wrong this video explains

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/apr/16/uk-government-coronavirus-response-data-video-explainer

Exactly.

 

[Zlatan]

It's nice to see the voice of reason prevails on thread. It really has become a backwater of resentment.
Yep, our government have made mistakes, tell me one that hasn't. But some things they have got right.
Seems some on here see all the faults, never stop moaning about them with the now monotonous repetition yet take all the benefits for granted.
Said it before. The only people suffering with this perverse attitude are the people uttering the grievances. We don't have a viable alternative and besides nobodody is ever even suggesting one,or even a viable strategy that would have saved anyone.
We have on the one hand calls for fewer restrictions and then on the other calls for more. Worldwide deaths are in their millions. Some countries are totally devastated.
Perhaps all you folk with such a low opinion of our government and country really should find an alternative, after all nothing is going to change with regards either in a very very long time. Tories are stronger now than perhaps any other time in their history.
I, m afraid OG is setting himself up to be sad, angry and bitter for at least the next decade. And, he isn't alone, but might as well be. Lots of noise from dissenters but no real progress towards doing anything about it.
Just the same old vindictive bile from the same places. Do something OG,find an alternative, vote for someone who represents you and Jonathon. But being realistic, there is no one. So perhaps time to realise you are out of step, so perhaps time to search for a country more in keeping with your wishes. Good luck on that one.