A blast from the pastor... Again.Well done, you passed the point at flank speed as usual
I like Fleccs posts, they are good
Unlike your sermons!
Brexit, for once some facts.
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The Daily Mail are having another pop, this time as Johnson's latest squeeze
Boris lover in Tory expenses 'abuse' claim: Carrie Symonds forced to quit £80k Tory HQ job over 'poor work' and accused of costing party thousands in improper expenses
Since this is on today's copy why have they re hashed an article they first published
By SIMON WALTERS FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 22:06, 9 July 2019 | UPDATED: 17:15, 8 April 2020
April fool joke?
They even posted the 188 comments from two years ago
Surely this has to be a April 1st prank
Boris lover in Tory expenses 'abuse' claim: Carrie Symonds forced to quit £80k Tory HQ job over 'poor work' and accused of costing party thousands in improper expenses
Since this is on today's copy why have they re hashed an article they first published
By SIMON WALTERS FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 22:06, 9 July 2019 | UPDATED: 17:15, 8 April 2020
April fool joke?
They even posted the 188 comments from two years ago
Surely this has to be a April 1st prank
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Brexit it's gone to the DOGS!
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The threat from the virus > The threat from the vaccine. That’s all you need to know. You are over complicating matters.
Good summary. But the question is ... which is the greatest?
The threat from the virus < ?? > the threat from the virus deniers < ?? > the threat from the vaccine deniers
The threat from the virus every time. There always will be crack-pots imagining they have spotted something the experts have missed.
450 died of Covid today in Italy. Nobody died of vaccine in entire world.
Perspective OG... You, ve lost it.
It seems to me some people have become desensitised to Covid deaths. Flecc saying the 6000 over 70 deaths vaccine has saved in UK is inconsequential. OG seemingly forgetting Covid is killing thousands daily throughout world but examines in minute detail the 40 or so deaths world wide over 4 months with no proven link.
I really think many have completely lost perspective with the risk reward ratio offered by vaccine.
Woosh asking for Pfizer jab over AZ when risk with vaccine is along similar to crossing road. I wonder how many died on our roads today. Is Woosh staying in house for good now.
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The biggest threat is the attitude of people who find ways to praise this Government after the debacle they have resided over.
And that goes for their tame experts too.
There will always be dangerous crackpots that vote for liars, cheats and people who rob the public purse, not to mention make catastrophic decisions usually too late or plain wrong.
Who was debating that with you?
I wasn't
You really must get a grip
Talk about losing it, first you invent a woman, then an argument with me.
You are wrong again OG. Women were invented years ago..
So what was your point with your flippent comment to JHC?
Reminding us yet again there could be a risk with vaccine.
If you don't want others to join in your arguments there is a private message facility on the forum.
Actually you never referenced your comment to mine with JHC did you by quoting him.
And you did invent the female persona of "Susan"
What I was reminding him, and apparently you missed it is that the majority of those who have died after vaccination didn't die of blood clots, and a far higher ratio of reactions too,
pfizer...108649.....Deaths 259
AZ 294820.....Deaths 326
These are UK government figures
There is sufficient cause to be concerned, not just blithely ignore unpleasant facts
It might be possible to take you seriously, if you even took yourself seriously. Nobody is forgetting that CV19 is killing people heading towards 3M confirmed, and 15K deaths daily. Nobody is disputing that any of the known certified vaccines , including the AZ brings down the death rate incredibly fast. .. particularly if TARGETTED at the more vunerable.
the concern about the blood clotting with certain cohorts and AZ is a real concern . Not Anti Brit, not manufactured, not Brexit related. There is even concern that it is being underrepresented in the UK, either due to some jingoistic mindset, or because the health services have been run off their feet. .. or maybe because the recipe is slightly different .
But as before and again, the reason that people are dying outside the UK, is because the UK snaffled more of the vaccines .
If you can't choose which vaccine then you'll have to take whatever on offer, ranking would not be needed. If you are a woman under 50 and can choose, then why not avoid AZ? That's why the Germans have banned AZ for those under 60.
OG 32 million people have been vaccinated. Uk death rate is just about 1% per annum.
That represents 55,000 people every single month.
The vaccine can't immunise against death.
Out of the 32 million people vaccinated on average 26,000 will die every single month. (probably more because older have been targeted)
Now you are informing us 585 people who have had vaccines have died. Then you tell us there is more going on than we are being told.
Are you saying your 585 deaths are on top of normal death rate or part of it?
Yes, believe it or not OG people do die all the time. What JCVI must do is decide whether the vaccines contribute to any deaths and if so what are the risks.
You are simply speculating, reading into data what you want to believe because it suits your narrative.
On average there are roughly 130 road deaths each and every month, I wonder how many of those had been vaccinated. A lot I would imagine by now.
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Yes, they are forgetting. Anybody arguing for delay in vaccine roll out on the numbers mentioned so far have become desensitised to what's going on.
9 deaths possibly linked to vaccinating 2.7 million people in Germany. Vaccine halted.
Same day 450 people die of covid in Italy.
Senseless. Get the vaccines where they should be. In people's arms.
Over the next few weeks every day the equivalent of a Jumbo jet crashing and killing all on board will die in Italy. The vaccine is equivalent to a Cesna crashing once in a while, probably.
And, I still think it strange OG has been saying all this for weeks now but still queued up for his second jab a few days ago. How does that make sense.?
If you are so convinced vaccine is dangerous why have it?
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In all of the scenarios you mention above, the threat from the virus is still greater than the threat from the vaccine. This is a global emergency and vaccine is in short supply. You can’t ponce about like you are in a restaurant choosing from a menu.
Whichever vaccine you are destined to receive, the threat from it is very much less than the disease it will protect you from.
The only problem Germany and France have with any vaccine is the word Oxford. They don’t want it to succeed. They have lost control of the disease and they are still putting restrictions on the Oxford vaccine’s use.
One word explains it, Oxford. Why would you place restrictions on its use when the risk it poses is minuscule by comparison to the consequences of contracting COVID?
Right from the first resonance of the starting gun, Germany and France began undermining the Oxford vaccine and to this day they continue to disregard the WHO and their own medical advisory body.
I don’t care anymore, look at what’s happening with COVID in Germany and France and then look here. They are sacrificing people because like many people on here, they can’t get past the Oxford name and the implication that it’s a U.K. developed product. You can taste the antI-Oxford sentiment from the sad, tired, spite filled, stupid old saddos who vomit daily on these pages.
One word explains it, Oxford. Why would you place restrictions on its use when the risk it poses is minuscule by comparison to the consequences of contracting COVID?
Right from the first resonance of the starting gun, Germany and France began undermining the Oxford vaccine and to this day they continue to disregard the WHO and their own medical advisory body.
I don’t care anymore, look at what’s happening with COVID in Germany and France and then look here. They are sacrificing people because like many people on here, they can’t get past the Oxford name and the implication that it’s a U.K. developed product. You can taste the antI-Oxford sentiment from the sad, tired, spite filled, stupid old saddos who vomit daily on these pages
Right from the first resonance of the starting gun, Germany and France began undermining the Oxford vaccine and to this day they continue to disregard the WHO and their own medical advisory body.
I don’t care anymore, look at what’s happening with COVID in Germany and France and then look here. They are sacrificing people because like many people on here, they can’t get past the Oxford name and the implication that it’s a U.K. developed product. You can taste the antI-Oxford sentiment from the sad, tired, spite filled, stupid old saddos who vomit daily on these pages