Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Flecc, how many times. It prevents hospitalisation and death to tune of 97% even on single dose.

That is totally irrelevant to my post which made no mention of hospitalisation and death.

I posted that the vaccine only prevents catching covid and tramsmission to a degree, certainly nothing like 97%, and that is true because you prove it by your post. All those prevented from going into hospital had to catch it despite being vaccinated for your outcome to be measured !

That it limits the effect on those who do still catch it despite being vaccinated is true, but I didn't post about that.

So for the umpteenth time please read what I post, not what you imagine.
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[Jesus H Christ]

That is totally irrelevant to my post which made no mention of hospitalisation and death.

I posted that the vaccine only prevents catching covid and tramsmission to a degree, certainly nothing like 97%, and that is true because you prove it by your post. All those prevented from going into hospital had to catch it despite being vaccinated for your outcome to be measured !

That it limits the effect on those who do still catch it despite being vaccinated is true, but I didn't post about that.

So for the umpteenth time please read what I post, not what you imagine.
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I’ll take not needing hospitalisation as a good result.

 

[Chainring]

You should have made your meaning more clear, since it reads as though you are denying Covid exists. That is dangerous since it could encourage less vaccine takeup so more infections.

That said, I agree with you that the Covid deaths are being somewhat exaggerated, but that is due to a number of factors (which I'm happy to detail) and not through conspiratorial intent.

If the intent was control, then clearly it's miserably failed so there's nothing to fear.
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Well I don't think control has failed. Most of the shops are closed. Masks are enforced. Relatives not allowed to visit sick, elderly people. P&O insist on the shot to travel on their ships, and that is just the beginning. No shot equals no passport. When all the small businesses have been closed, you will be left with large supermarkets which you will not be able to enter without your 'passport'. No shot - no benefits. No shot - no pension. This was all foretold by the 'conspiracy theorists' a year ago, and it is all coming true. You will not read it in the Daily Mail or see it on the BBC news. I am old, so may not have long, but I have children and grandchildren. This is no future for them.

 

[Danidl]

I’ll take not needing hospitalisation as a good result.

..and so would any rational person. Which is why some of us are extremely cautious about extending the second jab date beyond the manufacturers suggested deadline.

 

[flecc]

Nearly every vaccine the U.K. assessed and ordered and every vaccine it has approved has been successful.

What an empty statement, it applies to all countries assessing vaccines. Everything they've approved has proved successful.

But in all cases only partially successful so far, 66% on average once the makers hype is ignored. Only one maker has been totally honest, actually declaring the 66% figure. None of the vaccines actually prevent catching the disease, or even prevent transmission in all groups once it's caught.

They can have valuable medicinal effects once Covid is caught, but while doing that still spread the disease to some extent to others.

As I've posted previously, very valuable antigens, but certainly not highly successful vaccines yet, though they will hopefully improve with future supplementation.
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[flecc]

I’ll take not needing hospitalisation as a good result.

Certainly, if you have as little faith in the NHS as me.
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[Jesus H Christ]

..and so would any rational person. Which is why some of us are extremely cautious about extending the second jab date beyond the manufacturers suggested deadline.

It’ll be reet youth, stop whittling.

 

[Danidl]

Well I don't think control has failed. Most of the shops are closed. Masks are enforced. Relatives not allowed to visit sick, elderly people. P&O insist on the shot to travel on their ships, and that is just the beginning. No shot equals no passport. When all the small businesses have been closed, you will be left with large supermarkets which you will not be able to enter without your 'passport'. No shot - no benefits. No shot - no pension. This was all foretold by the 'conspiracy theorists' a year ago, and it is all coming true. You will not read it in the Daily Mail or see it on the BBC news. I am old, so may not have long, but I have children and grandchildren. This is no future for them.

If your argument is that IT and greater surveillance is part of the future ... Well you are in good company.. That is inevitable. I do see personal ID cards with the citizen number, all vaccines, health status , maybe tax status,as being the future... And you know what ? I don't see that as a problem. I already have such a card, which is used to access Tax, free travel, and were I on social welfare, ensure prompt payment, and were I in mainland Europe, would serve as the EHIC healthcare identity.
The question is not what is encoded, but who gets access . If it contained reference to my genome, I would hope that the private life insurance company did not have it.

 

[Danidl]

It’ll be reet youth, stop whittling.

..it will be , until it isn't.

 

[flecc]

Well I don't think control has failed.

It has so far. We'll simply rebel against the vaccine passports like we did against the ID card proposal. Ultimately only the people have the power as Nicolae Ceaușescu late president of Romania and Nikolai Romanov the late Czar of Russsia painfully and briefly discovered. Of course some might think it only means don't name your kid Nicholas!

I am old, so may not have long, but I have children and grandchildren. This is no future for them.

I'm also old and near the end but fortunately have never wanted or caused the birth of any children into this world.

But I've always firmly believed it arrogant to decide what is best for those who follow us. We all tend to like the world we are born into and resist change in NIMBY fashion. That's been our privilege and should equally be so for those who follow us.
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[POLLY]

as I understand, there are 3 main steps in making the Pfizer vaccine: produce the plasmids with e-coli, extract and purify the mRNA and encapsulation of the purified mRNA in nano sized fatty shells. The first step involves cell culture and takes months, the second weeks and the last step days.
There are only two steps in making the AZ vaccine, the third step above is not required: make the modified human kidney cells and infect them with the seed adenovirus. When the brewing process is finished, extract and purify the adenovirus.
The difference in production yield is essentially down to industrial muscle, how to grow cells and purify the mRNA/virus quickly.

100% bull crap

 

[Chainring]

It has so far. We'll simply rebel against the vaccine passports like we did against the ID card proposal. Ultimately only the people have the power as Nicolae Ceaușescu late president of Romania and Nikolai Romanov the late Czar of Russsia painfully and briefly discovered. Of course some might think it only means don't name your kid Nicholas!



I'm also old and near the end but fortunately have never wanted or caused the birth of any children into this world.

But I've always firmly believed it arrogant to decide what is best for those who follow us. We all tend to like the world we are born into and resist change in NIMBY fashion. That's been our privilege and should equally be so for those who follow us.
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I accept the fact that things will change and it's difficult to take-in sometimes, but if you watch this video: https://hugotalks.com/2021/03/17/china-asks-w-h-o-to-control-global-jab-passports-hugo-talks-lockdown/
who would want this sort of life for any human? Social Credits System - horrible.

 

[Chainring]

100% bull crap

Not a very constructive reply..... I have been led to believe that the shot is just to genetically modify things in your body - it's not a genuine vaccine as understood in the past, but I am no scientist. I watch videos, I try to understand and make my own decisions.

 

[Jesus H Christ]

..it will be , until it isn't.

Which option do you want? There are three available.

1/ Stay at home and live the life of a hermit.

2/ Catch Coronavirus and take your chances.

3/ Take the vaccine, take the small risk and stop over analysing it.

I’d rather have some form of normality without any risk, but that’s not one of the options available to us. (3) is my choice. It won’t deliver April 2019, but I can adapt to live and do 90% of what I want to under (3).

 

[oldgroaner]

No, I am not a spoof! I joined eight years ago when I bought my first ebike from Mr Woosh. I'm sorry if you find this hard to take in, but if you do some searching, you will find there are millions of other people fighting to keep their liberty, and they are not 'Spoofs' either. https://www.bitchute.com/video/xcvd77viXadd/

Just deluded then eh?

 

[Zlatan]

Pfizer warns EU to back down on vaccine threats to UK

Pfizer has warned the European Union to back down from its threat to block vaccines to the UK because the firm “heavily” depends on the country for vital ingredients.

www.standard.co.uk

This type of thing should not be happening..

Not a very constructive reply..... I have been led to believe that the shot is just to genetically modify things in your body - it's not a genuine vaccine as understood in the past, but I am no scientist. I watch videos, I try to understand and make my own decisions.

Vaccine does not modify DNA at all. It simply teaches body to fight that particular infection,it simply prepares, gives your immune system necessary information to mount an attack on invading virus.
Your immune system is doing 99.9% of the work, vaccine simply forewarns it.

 

[oldgroaner]

Which option do you want? There are three available.

1/ Stay at home and live the life of a hermit.

2/ Catch Coronavirus and take your chances.

3/ Take the vaccine, take the small risk and stop over analysing it.

I’d rather have some form of normality without any risk, but that’s not one of the options available to us. (3) is my choice. It won’t deliver April 2019, but I can adapt to live and do 90% of what I want to under (3).

Well there's a choice 4 then
4/ Take the vaccine, take the small risk and continue analysing it.

That's me for one, the most logical choice of all

 

[oldgroaner]

The U.K. ordered early. They made assessments of several vaccines and placed advanced orders well ahead of the EU who were bogged down with indecision.

Nearly every vaccine the U.K. assessed and ordered and every vaccine it has approved has been successful. That’s no coincidence or lucky break.

Only because none of them failed?
What if they all had?
So if I need a new car in a hurry I order every new model from all manufacturers and give them pots of cash.
One is quicker than the others, it turns out it works
But has production problems so i can't get enough to follow the manufactures instructions and when I was expecting it to have ABS I have to wait not two weeks but twelve for that
And it turns out a few have dodgy brakes and kill one or two people
Gotta laugh!
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[Zlatan]

Just deluded then eh?

There were thousands burning 5g masts down, thousands still believe earth is flat. Heston Blomanthall was telling us to talk nicely to rice Inn jars if we want nice curries.
Unfortunately the world is awash with mis led, badly informed people.
Covid is real. Might not be the threat some think, might be worse than others think, but to somehow believe its a construct to remove our liberty is I, m afraid deluded.
Google search "5g causes covid" or "World Doctors Alliance".. All believable, all loads of believers... But it's bo!!ox as well.

 

[Zlatan]

Well there's a choice 4 then
4/ Take the vaccine, take the small risk and continue analysing it.

That's me for one, the most logical choice of all

If you get one offered. We have been at front of a queu with billions of people in it. Said it weeks ago, imagine queuing up to get in at Wembley with 99,000 people behind you. That's about where our govt, AZ, Oxford, JCVI, Mhra have put you. Right at front. Appreciate it.